I just play it; with bull****RNG I never get the units I want. I have to always use mixed minions because I never get anything. I have seen my matches, one time I haven’t seen a single murloc in 9 rounds.
this makes no sense, how can somebody adjust to a meta that isnt balanced and favours rng, obviously there are games i have no control over and i lose without being able to do anything about it. You cannot adjust to something you have no control over, some of us are unlucky and thats just the way things are. It makes no sense that i’d be an 8000 mmr player when the mode was more balanced then drop down by 2000 just because all of a sudden idk what im doing, don’t take me for a fool. Other people have literally commented that they have gone up 1000-2000 mmr this update, what you think they magically became a way better player? No. Is it so hard to believe that for the same reasons they have gone up in mmr, others have gone down?
You just make yourself look stupid. Anyone that plays the format knows that RNG dictates everything. I played dragons my last 3 games. Out of 10 triples made I saw a single dragon. 1 out of 30 chances? The game is stupid how much is dictated by RNG. It’s a pointless time killing mode.
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I love playing dragon with Alex and only getting Tier 1-3 dragons with her hero power, and then get smashed out in 2 turns. Very fun !
But if you get Razorgore/Kalecgos, congrats, you’re top2 and you’ll do 15 damages to your next opponent after you hit 5.
And this is just one example of the BS RNG they added to this meta.
There’s just so many wrong things going in the current patch… And a lot of people already proposed tons of things they could try to balance things up.
Since it’s still in beta, I don’t know why they’re so long to patch.
Edit : They just patched, ignore my last sentence !
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Most of those things are common knowledge. You can find info about heroes I have mentioned posted by Blizz on Tweeter and copied here by someone. The rest are easily noticeable in the game and could be explained and demonstrated.
This is a good example of game times,I think since he doesn’t edit videos.
You can notice the that the games used to be between 25 and 30 minutes and now are in 18 to 25 range.
Damage isn’t lower because you are tiering up. You still fill your board but now you are not looking for synergies, as you have said, but for raw stats. That have pushed minions like 2/3 mech that spawns 2/1, 3/3 demon that spawns 1/1, 2/2 beast that spawns 2 1/1 and such in the premium category early on so you don’t have less minions early and that’s without taking into account new heroes like Malygos, DW or Galakrond that are bringing even more to the table. Plus you are not just rushing for the higher tiers. Ideally you are going for discoveries of even higher tiers as you skipping lower tiers.
Snowballing means that your board is scaling so hard that it becomes essentially unstoppable, not that you are incrementally raising your minion’s stats. Juggler isn’t snowballing minion. He is a strat that’s cheap and strong mid game, but weak late game vs big stat comps and people are relying on it if they had bad early game to push them into the top 5. Snowballing is going from the strong early game and rushing into tier 5 and 6 for menagerie, dragons, murlocs, divine shield builds to win the lobby. No one is playing the game with half empty boards `till tier 6, hell tier 6 is still redundant since staying at T5 and discovering T6 is much more reliable way of playing. BTW you can see snowballing potential in the game just by comparing demon strat stats with nowday’s stats late game. Old demons have no chance against murloc transitioning or “full board of huge stats and divine shields” dragons or menagerie or divine shied comp. 2 minions with big stats can’t compare to 5 or 6 minions with big stats and divine shields plus refreshes and poison and deathrattles even though you had to buff them from the very beginning of the game. Now you need to hit the jackpot and steamroll.
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Translation. The thing you used to not take seriously and just enjoyed because it was new and fun is now something you don’t enjoy as much anymore because it no longer has that new and fresh feel to it and now your main goal is ranking up which always leads to frustration when competition gets tighter.
I still took it seriously back then, now there is just no point to take it seriously and thats what i found fun about it. I could take it seriously and still have fun before
You can still adjust. The thing about current meta is that’s less consistent than it used to be. I was watching twlevewinsHS past few days and he will go on winning or losing streak often. If he is losing there’s nothing he can do to stabilize, but if he is winning his skill will help him to win more. It was funny at moments. He’d lose every duel past initial turn or two for 2-3 games straight. his scores were like 8 8 8 2 7 8 8. “I haven’t won a match since I was sixteen.”
Nobody has control of anything in hearthstone, you were doing good in the previous meta so you had the illusion it was less RNG
You can, if you had the curiosity to look the pool of cards before and after the patch, you will notice that the pool of cards increased, now how that impacts the game?
More minions = less chance to get one thing specific, that means it’s better to try to get bigger stuff than push for synergy, this made tier up become more important
That’s adaptation
Another example, dragons were introduced, and with them waxrider togeaggle and herald of flame
waxrider and herald feed on tokens, so strategies that relies on tokens or became less effective (unless deathwing), with that in mind you would change your strategy
That’s another example of adaption
It’s a card game mate, RNG will always be a major factor, Hearthstone has been around for 6 years and yet people still don’t understand this
And Battlegrounds is even more RNG by design since the beginning
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Once again you assume things. You are arguing points based on assumption of my knowledge and skills as a player. However, if adaptation is truly the answer to this update, tell me, how do i adapt to a deathwing that hits a rat pack on turn 3, and i dont get any tokens or minions to deal with that board, then take 7 damage on that turn? There are many other worthy examples i could mention that often frustrates players and causes fast losses this update. My point is, we can only adapt so much, certain things in this update are just undeniably unbalanced.
You may or may not have realized this, that was not my point, I’m not questioning your skill, I’m just wanting to point an example
Yes, that is true, but unbalanced is not the same as RNG, you know exactly how many tokens rat pack will spawn, that’s not random
Myself for example, I’m not liking the current patch not because of RNG, but because the meta become stagnant, murlocs are dead, beasts became weaker, every game is mech or dragons, with the ocasional demons
I’m actually doing better in this patch but I liked the previous more, we used to see a little bit of everything, although it was nice to see a new tribe, there needs some balance tweaks
You’re arguing just for the sake of arguing, this provides no insight to anything
I was arguing agaisn’t the common trend of players always blaming RNG when they start under performing
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Ok but thats literally invalidating peoples experiences, if someone is losing and its clear as day that bad RNG is the leading factor in many of their losses, who are you to go and tell them no it’s not RNG, you’re just failing to adjust. Like you have no idea what their matches actually look like, and honestly comes off as condescending, like your experience doesn’t relate to theirs in any way, everyone has a different experience, u cant tell me i lost because i failed to adjust when i can very clearly see that it had nothing to do with anything in my control. I know what i’m doing in battlegrounds and how to optimize my gameplay to get me the highest place i can manage in lobbies, how do you think i got to 8000 mmr previously when the game was dictated less by RNG.
You are missing the point, I’m not saying there is no RNG, it’s exactly the opposite, I’m saying there is always RNG, in this meta, the previous one, the one before that…
Also, who is tell that your previous 8k MMR was due to RNG on your side?
Why does RNG only appears when you are losing?
When you gain 2k MMR it’s skill, but when you lose 2k it’s RNG???
Why isn’t it the other way around?
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I could definitely attribute my wins and losses in previous updates to decisions i made during a given game, thats how. And i can also tell when i lose where my decisions don’t impact the outcome of the game. Either way im done arguing with you. Its obvious that this isnt going anywhere so please just leave it alone now.
You just mentioned Demon strat stats. Where are those strat stats?
Every single day people post BS on these forums. The problem here is that you are arguing for posting personal opinions as facts, when those opinions are bound to be colored by confirmation bias.
Your Bebe example has one enormous problem. Blizzard sped up BG animations, so of course older games are going to take a longer time period. That’s why I asked for meta stats that show average rounds per game.
Demon strat was Weaver with Watcher that could be anything between 50/50 to 100/100 at the end game plus other weaker demons with the base stats. Their growth was dictated by the HP pull of a player. That’s not that strong compared with dragons that with Alec will be at least above 20/20 across the board with Razor and Draconid going much higher and having the benefit of the divine shields or managerie with big cleaves, poison, divine shield and so on. All lobby winning comps, aside from deathrattle and double HM are big stats comps that are exciding old demons.
There is no problem with my example. Animations are faster, but rounds are not shorter. People were having issues because a)long combat animations would “eat up” tavern time and b)long animations in the tavern would make playing many cards in one round hard or nay impossible. That’s why they are still working on it.
You are correct, I was wrong, I forgot about that.
No worries. It happens.