It’s called an autobattler. If you have to have absolute agency why even try the mode? Also I don’t appreciate people implying a mode I enjoy is mindless.
Fact is 1 or 2 players gonna get that every game. Can you beat it when they highroll? Not really. Can you still get top 4 if there are people high rolling? Depends how often you meet them. Bad luck happens but not always and they even out. If you can beat the other non highrollers you are more likely to be top 4. Your aim shouldn’t be getting first all the time. Play accordingly. Build your board, make it better, make sure if you meet some one of similar luck you are not losing health and your odds of top 4 increase significantly on the premise the others ain’t doing the same.
There are people with 9k mmr? I saw streamers at around 6k so thought it doesn’t go much higher.
I havent said there is no skill involved. Though it looks like the skillcap is kinda pretty low from what I have seen.
It decides matches against equally lucky and unlucky opponents. And as I have posted somewhere - its significant idifference to score 5th or 6th when being damned by bad RNG instead of ending up 8th.
Same when you have solid luck its difference to end up 3rd instead of lose you way to 5th place.
I think the main skill in BG is to understand how strong you are compared to others and build up for it - this board is utter garbage and top4 are destroying everything left and right so I might build up a board to fight for 5th place. Or this board is insanely strong, I could build up to fight for top etc.
Do not see any other form of skill that might play more than very minor part in BG.
But again - I am not saying its all RNG.
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Educated Colin hits 10k yesterday.
Skills definitely have a big part too. To up MMR you have to win more than you lose. To hit 10k MMR, you win alot, lose very little with luck being normally distributed. If you watch how educated Colin play, some move is mindblowing. At 6k, sometimes I see nerferian who put Nax in the middle… Like? What?. If you can’t see the skills involve and think it’s hugely depedent on luck, you should watch higher level play.
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Official leaderboard: https://playhearthstone.com/en-us/community/leaderboards/?region=US&leaderboardId=BG
I have watched and as I said - I havent seen anything that would show me the skill plays even closely the same part as RNG.
Have I seen some nice positioning? Sure as hell I did. Some of these were indeed nicely done when fighting for top1 that kinda turned the game. But have I seen even the top players win with subpar RNG (worse board thanks to worse choices of minions offered) compared to other players in the run)? Hell no.
Thats why I have said - the skill indeed plays a part - for players equally blessed or damned by RNG.
Means you don’t understand luck being evenly distributed. At the end of day your highroll will match number of low rolls. If you get 1st for every high roll and 6th for every low roll and 3rd for every average roll, that’s skills not luck.
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I don’t appreciate being told what decks I can bring to casual.
I don’t appreciate the typical, “Thats what you get for playing wild,” when I discuss possible issues in Wild format.
I don’t appreciate decks I play being referred to as “mindless degenerate scum.”
I don’t appreciate reading how I’m a “snowflake” because I sometimes squelch opponents.
I don’t appreciate reading how I’m a scrub because I haven’t made legend.
I don’t appreciate reading how every card my favorite class is overpowered.
There a lot of insults I don’t appreciate but it happens and I don’t resort to name calling.
You said yourself, “It’s an auto battler,” while insulted that players believe a game that plays itself require skill?
I mean…its an auto battler…
So what you’re saying is that Collins and some other top guys are just luckier? XD
RNG is not consistent. And should even EVERYONE out in the long run (and entire leaderboard DID looooooooooooooo…ooooong run already). But again people at 9k, 10k are consistent with getting points (and not losing as much). Can’t do that with rng.
@Nullspace 100% correct. If you can’t see skill there it only means you are not skilled enough to understand it (or don’t want to)…
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Games where there are probabilities of events happening, you play to maximize expected value. In english this means, you make the best of whatever situation RNG put you in.
- When you highroll, you know the best path to get 1st.
- When your luck in the game is mediocre, you eak out a 3rd or a 4th.
- When you low roll, you may get a 5th or 6th instead blaming your bad luck and rage quit at 8th.
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Well…if you put it that way… its clear there is some probability out of milions of players, some would be luckier.
But I havent said that - I have said there is skill indeed but its minor compared to RNG and it can determine the outcome of the run when facing players with same RNG.
And I do not know how you can prove me I am wrong, same as I do not know how to prove I am right. Its 8 players game soaked with so many aspects of RNG you would have to consider all of these RNGs by all players in a run. And I bloody have no idea how to do it.
So I can basically stand up by my point and you can stand by yours. And unless there is proof, we are both wrong and right at the same time.
this is no where near to what I said. You dude clearly have problems grasping what rng is about, hence your confusion. Whatever not gonna bother arguing about it.
Put it simply, in every game, the 1st place is luckier. In every 100th game the guy who get 30 1st place is more skillful.
Sorry lads to tell you that but you really have no idea what rng is and how complex aspect it might be.
We arent talking about hypothetical 50/50 head/tails coin flip out of 10 000 trials. We are talking about complex set based on individual rngs and its combinations for 8 players. Where each individual rng carries some significance and each combinaton carries certain significance. And all of that between 8 players.
Hence your confusion 
But I would repeat myself - I do not think BG is all about RNG.
Says the guy who doesn’t see enough skill in top1 plays. 
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True. I do not see enough skill to claim the skill is major factor.
Its my personal opinion. Same as the oposite is just your personal opinion. Its just that - opinions. Not a facts.
Explain to me, in your opinion, the leaderboard. How do people get there.
Its obvious - because they have certain ranking. Is there any other way?