Battlegrounds paradox

Instead of that, stop and look at the tavern you are dealt at the start of the turn. Carefully look at the minions you are offered.

Ask yourself if any of the minions in the tavern are definitely minions you want this game. If the answer is no, then ask if you can tier up this turn. If the answer is yes, go up instead of rolling.

The odds of finding stronger minions and spells improves at higher tiers and is better than just rolling for bad minions and still taking damage.

Many games at six gold you are offered a bad selection of minions in the tavern shop. If you can get two minions, great, but if all the minions are trash, tier for five gold and refresh the tavern. You will win more in the long run.

Man yall are some cut throat unethical flim flam carpetbagging strategists… I always aimed for the pure win, a flawless victory, Not a single hit taken, not a single round lost or tied. Yall are willing to cut your foot off to leave the room in Saw 1… as the first option to take…

The mentality to even think that way, to approach the game in a way to sacrifice in order to come out ahead… it just baffles me. I cant think of another example where you are meant to hurt yourself willingly to advance in a game properly…

But then again I’m notoriously terrible at games. Still havent beaten a mario or won a Chess match or gotten thru a blizzard RTS without the cheat codes. So maybe there is something to this Saw cut-throat-carbetbagging-unethical-scruffy looking nerf herder mentality yall got…

I feel like this is the part most people forget. I’m often tiering up off the natural curve because the minions just don’t work. Rerolling isn’t really worth it until you’re tier 4+ and at 10 gold. Tier 4 is when minions spike in power.

After that, it’s just a matter of finding a bad shop and having enough to tier to 5, reroll, and buy a minion. Tier 5 is also when a ton of super strong spells become available.

I rarely tier to 6. The tier 4/5 minions are strong enough that you can afford to just find triples to get access to tier 6 minions. I’ll only tier up to 6 if I can afford 3+ rerolls and a buy.

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I take exception to this description.

Health is a resource like gold is a resource. Maximizing your resources is how you win games such as this one.

Apparently you have never heard of a sacrifice fly in baseball, where you willingly hit a lazy fly ball out to score a run?

Or watched an American football team take a delay of game penalty to have more room for a punt?

It happens all the time in games when people are attempting to win.

This whole BG Season is now only Midrange Builds that scale insane. You don’t need a T6 Minion. Demons, Dragons, Elementals only go max to t4/t5 and scale the sh… out and win. this update is total ridicilous and far beyond making fun.

That dragon on T2 with DS and scaling itself. WTF. what did they think?!
removed and nerfed Boombox. Hey see what we got for you Boombox 2.0 even more annoying than the 1.0

BGs Spell season is a mess, and i quit playing since there are no updates in sight

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Who’s this? Curious.

I had something similar yesterday. I had a Kally/Brann combo going by turn 12 and my Dragons were jacked.

Cramer, frankly, I could quote and give specifics for each thing you say, but I can sum it up. You have been singing this same song for months now. Multiple comments are about how confused you are with big boards and high tiers so early. It’s all possible, man, it just is. If you still can’t quite grasp it, I highly suggest jumping on a stream on twitch or whatever your favorite flavor is and watch it. These top players are usually tier 5/6 before double digit turns, and I have learned a lot by watching myself.

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His name is Jeef and he streams quite a bit. He’s usually the top ranked player at the end of a season and has won multiple tournaments. His insight into metas is always spot on. Just watching him can teach you quite a bit about how the high end of the game plays out.

Interesting

I’ll have to check him out as I’ve never heard of him. Thanks!

There have been times in the past when he was rank 1 on the leaderboard in both EU and NA battleground rankings at the same time.

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That’s pretty crazy

I just watched him some. He’s pretty good and does NOT like the new Spell Hero Every Two the next is (0)

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That is the natural curve.

Turn 1, you can buy 1 minion,
turn 2, you can buy a teir.
turn 3 you can buy 1 minion and refresh/buy spell or get a 2nd minion from a extra gold somehow.
turn 4 you can buy 2 minions

turn 5 you can buy 1 minion and. a teir. Tier 2

You have minimised your unspent gold.

rushing is generally based around 3 on 3, when you sell a minion to have the gold to read teir 3 on turn 3.

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This is the important part that I think you may be missing. Upgrade the tavern on turn 2 almost always. Do not buy a minion, and don’t wait until turn 4 when you can both upgrade to tier 2 and buy a minion as that will almost always be too slow. There are a few exceptions, but mostly you should be upgrading for the first time on turn 2

No, as I have never engaged in those games, or watched them more than the old channel flipping duration would permit. So naturally, I know nothing of those sports or games. I understand the concept of bases and home runs foul balls and such, but I couldnt begin to even list a single thing about football, either flavor you choose.

Ive heard of the idea of your health being a resource, but it flies in the face of the concept of trying to get better at the game (the example I provided before, having no losses or ties at all and ending without taking any loss of armor or health). To go against that concept is just so paradoxical to me when suggested as a means to get better at the game. But I relent, its prolly why i dont play chess well as I refuse to lose a pawn if possible, or any piece. I have always been of the mentality that a flawless victory is the only one worth practicing for. Its the same mentality drilled into me from band practice as a kid. Practice never makes you ready to give a perfect performance, only perfect practice can deliver a perfect performance. Its that whole ā€œDo or Do Notā€ type thinking, ā€œthere is no tryā€ would be why I dont consider taking hits on purpose as a method to get better results. I understand what you are saying, but its so antithetical to how Ive always approached everything.

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I understand the high standards of practice makes permanent, so only perfect practice makes perfect. I operated under similar standards with my team as we trained for our missions.

But once the game begins, we need to adapt and overcome any and all obstacles.

Maybe try what I suggested to see if it works better for you. Maybe it will, maybe your way is better. Only you can know what works for you.

Good luck!

That particular hero has been banned from BG’s till the patch after Worlds. It needs a rework for sure seeing as how you can easily generate a bank if you get the right setup.

Thats just the problem tho, I can;t watch other people playing the game. my mind checks out about 3 seconds into it and I Im not even sure where it went. I lack the ability to watch others play games. Like my eyes work fine, my brain isnt having a medical issue like a stroke or anything, but the connection of ā€œwatchā€ and ā€œlearnā€ in terms of games, just isnt there for me. Its why I think streamers are some of the least entertaining content to exist. I would rather watch the film ā€œPaint Dryingā€ by Charlie Shackleton as that has more entertainment value to me. IDK, I can;t explain it, but I just can’t watch games being played and derive anything, neither enjoyment nor knowledge, from it. Might have something to do with the fact Im not playing Im merely watching and my brain just goes ā€œf this Im out!ā€ on me? I don’t want it to do that all the time as I wish I could be better at WoW as well and I can;t watch any wow streams to learn either.

At least not the style that streamers usually operate on. Now if there were games that had breakdowns after a play is made like how John Madden used to do with the white Pen with Xs and Os and arrows and lines with instant playback footage of a live game, those I could learn from because I could see it happen, get the broken down explanation of what is going to happen in the slowmo or paused frame of the event that just happened, then review the play again now knowing what the breakdown just told me the plan would be. Show me a John Madden style Hearthstone streamer and I’ll soak all of it up.

Note: I didnt learn anything about football plays or terms or rules or anything as that was never what Madden did in those informative breakdowns I would see as a kid. But the overly complex and impossible to follow whats going on onscreen with all the moving parts and not knowing who has the ball or where its going, which team is even which, all that confusing mess was simplified and made understandable to my mind as a kid using those Xs and Os arrows and lines.

I watched a YT video of it being played. Definitely needs adjusting before it comes back.

-shrug-

You be you, but it seems you’d rather just complain than try and get better.

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I have tried the approach you suggested and it doesnt work for me. I remembered a good example of a way that is really effective for me, and would love to know if someone out there is making any HS Madden style breakdowns of plays. If so Id love to know what to google or youtube. But just passively watching a match without an active commentary of why each decision is being made as they are made (or in instant replay fashion done in post production) Im not gonna understand whats happening, why they do what they do, etc. Streamers dont provide high enough quality in terms of what Im trying to learn from them, exposition on their motives for each decision.

I’m sure a simple Google search with the proper criteria will land you into a bunch of videos as you describe, but if you have zero open mind as you give the vibe of, you’re not going to benefit from any videos, articles or these forums. You have to put in an effort like anything else.