Bruh. Context matters. Playing other CCGs puts things in perspective and makes you less of a whiny sad sack complaining about everything in HS when 90% of the “problems” are inherent to the genre which you’d know if you stepped outside of your little HS bubble.
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So; in order to have an opinion on this change We are required to go and play every other CCG so that We will realize that they are all even dumber and more pay to win than this one, and then we shall naturally reach the conclusion that this one is the least bad?
This forum certainly does have some interesting new rules…
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You wanna go there? I have “other” things you could do too to put things into persepective.
GO OUTSIDE. Go exercise. Go for a walk. Do something besides playing video games all your life.
Step outside your little video game bubble.
THEN you may realise that this is just a stupid game and there are many other more important things besides asking your mom for nachos and hot pockets delivered to your gaming chair.
It’s not really pay to win, since the cards they are offering are already available to everyone.
If these decks had unique cards or, like in BG, an early access, then it would be pay to win.
I also doubt people that usually buy preorders will buy some of these decks, since they are likely to have all the cards they like with months in advance.
If anything, these decks will help f2p players who can’t afford the preorder and don’t have a huge collection
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Weird to say this in a Hearthstone forum, given what a large mobile presence the game has. I often play BGs while on a stationary bike, and could take my phone to my back porch too. “Crusty nerds in mom’s basements playing vidya” hasn’t aged too well as a stereotype.
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I have no problem with Team 5 selling cards.
I’m less in love with the idea that you can buy the best deck already made for a set price, as I think it homogenizes the meta even more quickly, which leads to players complaining even more for nerfs and more frequent releases ad infinitum
Others have said this won’t affect the rate with which the meta settles.
I disagree. I think Team 5 is solving the meta for players with this change.
I think it’s great, here it is why:
Many people only like a few classes (some one and only one class); some even disenchant anything but generic and one class cards, so they can play everything with that class.
Many players would like to be able to buy class packs instead of normal expansion ones.
With these “pre build decks”, players aren’t going to win more because the decks are strong: they will simply be able to play a new deck, without hurting their collection.
Some may also buy it as a “special bundle”: 20$ and you get 2 class legendaries, 1 generic legendary and many class cards (and with no RNG involved in the process).
It’s not pay2win because I assume that if 1000 people play the best tier 1 deck, maybe 10 of them will play it thanks to this 20$ pre built deck; the only difference is how they obtained the cards, which isn’t done in a shady way.
“pay now and in your next 5 games you will start with 1 more mana then your opponent” or *“pay now and choose the class you will be matched against next” are P2W stuff imo, because you get an advantage that other people can’t get unless they pay.
If with 20$ someone is going to get Ysarjj + ticketus, good for them: I already got them 5 months ago.
Don’t you like the idea of buying a “preconstructed mage deck” for only 20$, to get some missing cards in case you don’t have the dust for them?
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The meta is already homogenized. There are no people making decks or playing homebrew that aren’t exposed to the idea of meta decks; people who don’t wanna meta deck si mply won’t will. How homogenized the meta is also means nothing: People started asking for nerfs about 8 hours into the expansion.
It won’t: They both use data they got from players (which, might i mention, lead to an Spell Damage mage deck that was a carbon copy of the list i was already running, sans ogremancer); and they already provided deck recipes every expansion. It’s nothing new, they are literally taking data everybody already know about and selling decks people are already mostly running .
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I like much of what you said, and I agree that many players might find it more affordable to play the game one deck at a time.
I do have concerns abut nerfs etc.
What happens when the player buys the deck only to see it nerfed two days later?
I think the screams will be deafening.
But thanks for the constructive reply. Food for thought.
Another great reply and while I still have misgivings, I am willing to wait and see what happens.
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topic tittle suggests hes going to tell us why
but the OP has barely any conent …
Pre-made decks for $$$ has been done by every other ccg for years!
Blizz finally catching up.
The decks you’ve struggled with using in Standard the most have, by your own words, been due to learning issues and you preferring the overpowered curvefest that is Wild Secret Mage.
I don’t think it makes sense to give up on a mode because you have to think harder than the curve, then turn around and call it less skill-intensive.
Deck building is a skill, yes, but it’s not one that climbs ranks. Deck playing is the one that does that, and many, many, MANY people over the years have demonstrated that the ability to play a deck can be the difference between being unable to climb out of Silver/Gold with a Tier 1 or 2 deck and being able to take it to top 100 Legend.
Seems like skill is still pretty relevant to the game, even if everyone has the same decks.
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Well, We will see how it plays out. Maybe players won’t be complaining about it one hour after it drops, voicing some of the same things I have spoken about here.
But I don’t think that prediction is too crazy.
There will always be complainers over essentially anything. Predicting that entitled or otherwise unintelligent people will complain online about a video game is kind of like predicting that gravity will still exist tomorrow.
I’d say something about this increasing the density of netdecks, but that’s largely what I see on the ladder anyway so as far as I can tell it’ll be a wash.
What it WILL do is take away the excuses for budget players that only people who spend hundreds of dollars on the game are able to have competitive deck.
Grats random complaining player, here’s your deck that you’d supposedly be legend with if it weren’t for that darn price tag and randomness of packs. Now put your money where your mouth is and climb the ladder for those oh-so-easy wins.
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I do agree this will definitely happen.
The decks won’t change how I play the game nor will it change how I purchase cards.
I will be waiting to see how it affects metas being called “stale and boring”.
And, in spite of the delay that team 5 is touting, I can almost guarantee that players will call them out for “solving the meta for paying players”.
This seems incredibly strange to hear from someone who has said many times that he doesn’t build decks and frequently requests others’ lists. Haven’t internet forums already taken deck building out of the equation for people like you and me?
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So this is the question for u. Why are u here to defend ur thoughts.If u dont have anything smart and helpful to say about that thread stay away from here.
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And you don’t see the irony?
Of course you don’t.
I used to think that a good deck was enough to become a good player.
Then I started reading at that forum. Then I realized that good deck or not, some people will be bad for their whole life.
Pay to win ? Maybe, in the world of the average forum people, I can understand. In a world of bad players, a good deck can make the difference.
But reality is … good deck or not, if you don’t know the games, how to make a gameplan considering what you have and what your opponent plays and so on, you’ll be bad.
Soooo … that’s ok. In the end, bad players will still be bad players, complaining about tickatus and stuff, the only difference is that their bank account will be 20$ lighter.
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I’m not interested in buying these decks, but if anything this will SAVE money for those with
Out large collections(i’m assuming this is targeting players who are prohibited from really engaging thenselves in the game due to the cost)
Think about it, how much would you have to blow on packs for the dust to craft a single one of these decks? Far more than $20 on average, I would say.
This IS a moneymaking scheme. So what? Their target isn’t those of us on these forums, as we presumably are all invested in the game and have our own collections already. They’re making money off of people who would OTHERWISE NOT BE ABLE TO AFFORD TO PLAY THE GAME.
That’s a good thing. Means more players overall.
I will never buy one of these decks(well, maybe I will for one of the classes I dust to its roots, if I decide I want to begin playing that class after all). I suspect most of the regulars here have no reason to buy it either. That’s okay. We’re not the ones who stand to gain the most from these decks.
If anything, the “waaaah p2w” crowd should be HAPPY that new players no longer have to blow a hundred bucks for a decent collection that will build HALF a meta deck.
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