Anyone else think this?

[Izizero-1732]

@Hitchslap-6405

People who cite “tiers” should not be taken seriously when talking about game balance.

Ok.

@Hitchslap-6405

I also challenge the notion that Mage has been tier 2 for some time: Mozaki, DoL, APM, Secret, etc. absolutely dominate higher elos, but let’s assume you’re right (you’re not):

We’re clearly talking about standard, and you can check Mage past achievements Just on the next thread over, but do Go on.

@Hitchslap-6405

An asymmetrical experience, wherein one player is able to do things that so wildly exceed what the other player can do is asymmetrical and should be avoided - especially when that player is able to reliably and consistently do it. It doesn’t matter if the deck has a healthy win rate, it’s an unhealthy game experience that kills enthusiasm and player engagement.

So? If the players does incredible, unfathomable things and historically still loses, does It matter?

@Hitchslap-6405

The problem is the nature of spells: the ability to play from your hand with immediate effect essentially removes any agency from your opponent. If you are able to have zero board presence and in one turn neutralise your opponent’s entire board while also dealing 30+ damage to the enemy hero from hand, you’ve successfully created such an abnormal asymmetry that your opponent will walk away viewing that as a horrible game experience - not based on any merit either, but simply by virtue of you drawing your set piece (which, combined with the absurd card draw that Mage has, is almost a given).

So, is this about flamewaker Mage? What do you want me to say dude? That IS one problematic deck. Note that i say “most” times reducing spells to 0 aren’t a problem, because historically, it’s a poor strategy. But If you throw together enough of anything, something is bound to come out. Blame not the interaction: it’s pretty balanced when people Care for It’s balance. Blame wild.

@Hitchslap-6405

But for some reason, when it comes to spells (whose effects are immediate and often the most deadly), there exists absolutely no limit - you can cast as many as the rope permits. For this reason they absolutely should be limited to 1 mana to enforce some semblance of a limit.

I can only say that i don’t know what you’re talking about. The way you talk make It seems those spells are coming from thin Air. Decks like Flamewaker Mage are literally all deck generation and draw.

Your whole thread seems like a hate letter to Flamewaker, which is understandable, but a heavily, heavily biased look when historically, the strategy is consistently not a meta problem. It’s a you problem because you think it’s pretty bad when the ocasional deck that goes over the top with It goes off.

Which again, it’s understandable, but those decks are a small, small fraction of all decks that benefited from reducing spells to 0, and saying a whole mechanic has to be changed for It is quite frankly asinine. The game, more specifically, wild, Just need tighter balance.

For reference: Meta Power of Classes over time based on VS reports