Amulet of Undying is likely what Schyla is taking about.
Mostly this. The hydra video I beleive is the hype for something and my brain went lets do value decks in standard then apply few cards if not much are there. I like the hand and the board to be a supply. that I made in wild with Warlock. I know cards will be different got some of the new cards already. Hydra video shows some value wehn hydra keeps appearing remind me of two cards merge as one with the same effect. Iām not expecting a whole lot knowing the expanison packs has been reduce size over the years.
Thereās some cards in the nuertral section can be useful even though theyāre not mech.
Come on Marco, youāre killing me here lol
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Oh! That thing. I remember that now.
Thatās where they keep summoning Albatross, and finally they play Benedictus. Then the game lasts forever because nobody can close out the game.
Thatās what you are calling value? Questlines give you more value than infinite Albatross. Or an OTK, you canāt extract more value out of a card than whenever you play it your opponentās portrait explodes!
Iām pretty sure that when people pine for value decks, what they want is to spend 10-15 turns defeating their opponent on the board, then pushing for face with big stats.
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https://hsreplay.net/replay/mUz2PoD33L62P7Wx3wxNAQ
No, itās like this one.
So itās another useless buzzword that doesnāt mean what it means everywhere else.
Because when I think of value I think of cards that go way beyond the average. Think of the Flesh Giant, 8/8 for almost no mana!
Because what isnāt value to me is some low win rate deck that takes forever when it actually does win. Thatās about as much value as standing in line forever to get a piece of chewing gum.
I donāt disagree with your assessment of the deck, but the point of value is to build a resource advantage over time that eventually overwhelms the opponent.
In the game I linked I still had another full board of giant taunt minions and kazakusan to play when the paladin conceded because they were literally out of things to do with no way to win. Paladin is a good midrange value deck but got crushed by the priest deck.
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And thatās the problem.
People have failed to understand CCG meta dynamics to the point that theyāre wanting to create archetypes out of what happens in matchups.
Every game two different decks compete, one will, given the game is allowed to go longer, out value the other. But that value isnāt necessarily singularly defined by the board. Thereās value in cards on hand, ramp, persistent effects, etc.
Thatās not what anyone is saying other than you.
le sigh, all things that priest deck does.
Itās basically if it lives for six turns it wins. The only variable is how long it takes for the opponent to figure out they already lost.
It is not my style of play and I honestly think that deck is BM to play specifically because it so grindy with the waves of big minions, heal, armor, draw, board control over and over.
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The lack of expereince is what some people will what you say.
The scarcasm isnāt needed for this topic so if you have any sharing of what I ask then please do so if not leave. I stated what this thread is and derailing just to talk bad about people who play value decks is low.
Iām not really sure why youāre bringing up these cards from wild. The OP asked about value in standard. Thereās probably a good 5 different definitions minimum of what people consider value. I consider value many different ways. The way you described I consider value, and the way the OP is looking for is value.
The reason I was able to differentiate between the two is the OP was talking specifically about Trump, who people call the āMayor of Value Townā. What they mean by value in that sense is that Trump would play decks that look to out resource people and out value them - the exact sort of decks I was describing.
I realize you have a specific definition of value that you use, like 0 mana Flesh Giants, but if it only meant that then every streamer of Trump and every person who ever announced his games in tournaments would all be wrong by calling Trump the Mayor of Value Town if they only saw value as things like Flesh Giants.
I think we can agree the term value in this game means multiple things and the type the OP was looking for was specifically Trump-esque value type decks, not Flesh Giant for 0 on turn 5 plays value.
You must be a lot of fun at parties.
It might help if you actually outline what you want in a value deck.
Big stat bombs?
Longevity?
Fatigue as win condition?
For what Iād personally consider a traditional āvalueā archetype, Paladin with its handbuffs, healing and current repertoire of control tools is probably your best best for a value-focused deck. That said, Mech Paladin seems to outshine it a bit as it tends to get stats on the board more quickly.
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