Just dunno why you keep playing or are on the “sorcerer” forums in the first place
Sorta new to forums (seems like a pretty depressing place so far haha) but can you post pics. You’re right, I’m still in the leveling phase, but I play solo and for a quicker clear I just did an animus/favored dungeon in about 10 mins… I mean that wall must come quick. Also little tip; temerity gives you the ability to generate a barrier with a potion. Increase damage with barrier and hits harder. I mean I play for fun and am definitely not a hardcore gamer but it’s worked very well so far.
I am not sure what you are comparing with. Druid and Barbarian come late in the game and for most too late. Yes, Druid can have diversity of “hybrid” builds, but at the end of the day if you put effectiveness over pure fun and plenty of frustration, you will stick with 2 to 3 established Druid builds or variants of it.
I can’t speak for Barbarians but they also have limited choice no matter how awesome it may look like, they stick to one or two builds in the end. Your sole argument is based on how you always come back to one build, yet that the harsh reality that every class will gravitate towards fixed set of builds most of the times - I don’t count exceptions.
And that’s how it is with current build kits, which is subject to change. The reality is, what they wanted and what is the reality, not every form build is playable outside of paper no matter the class.
Take for example Druid. That’s what I play. It’s almost entirely impossible to make a pure build. And naturally people get upset about it. The thing is, there might one tanginble option, and that again evolves around Werebear. But for the love of god, the buildkit make it so dull to play, so you will end up gravitating towards hybrid. And to pull the same with Werewolf (pure build) is near impossible to enjoy even possibility of playing it without being blown away by every single thing.
So it’s not only Sorc problem, or whatever you people think. Even Necros and Rogues suffer from all of this in some form. So get real, every class is fun only as much as you are willing to accept that it comes with limitations and design decision get in your way, until they change in the future
Personally Sorc for me is very average,stoic, and bland class to attract the interest, it can manipulate 3 elements, oh wow, I am so mind blown - like I haven’t seen this over and over and over and over and over again, in every freaking RPG that includes magic - again this is just my personal opinion so it doesn’t affect you or other who dig it, so you can ignore it.
Its near impossible to refund from PSN once you played the game, thats my disappointment 
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I am sorry that I wasted my time readying this wall of text. Clearly you have no idea what you are talking about, barb has more than 1 viable content pushing build. My brother plays a druid and they also have more than one viable build, he plays a warewolf storm build, and I havent complained about pure builds, while sorc has to spec into ICE for any decent dmg build. Again and I underline the AGAIN part, you can push content with any build you make but it’s not comparable with the meta builds, and atm sorc doesn’t feel like a range caster. Lol on the limitted barb choice. “you spoke” with barb players, you don’t say dude, I have friends thay play it daily, and they can go HOTA, Dualswing, Whirlwind and they are all pretty viable. You speaking with players and typing walls of text of forums telling us of their experience while we have more than 10 ppl on discord testing builds and playing together D4, hmmm who to trust … clearly not your experience. Imagine playing druid and trolling on the sorc forums.
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Okay, what nightmare level can you do? What’s your DPS?
Now compare that to what other lvl 85 champs can do.
And let me take a wild guess and say you run ice shards. How fun for us to have literally one end game build
I thought we had like 3? Though they all basically play the same and take the same non-core skills so it feels like 1 anyways rofl.
Im level 99 Pure fire sorc…at this point im commited. The journey has been painfully slow in sync with my burning damage. I really want to do a list of all the fixes a fire sorc needs but it’s just burnt me out playing it. Its literally that dumpster truck on fire meme cruisin down the road.
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Spoken like a true casual. And bringing up temerity… LOL… useless item. useless. Aspects > all sorc uniques
Go do Lilith, or any dungeon 60+ I am lvl 100.
Here is the outcome. Lilith can’t be beaten unless you literally build a useless build for anything else, respeccing 20m gold. And abusing weapon swaps and an aspect.
60+ dungeon = dont even. you get 1 shot all the time.
Every other build besides ice shards is worthless. Oh, and not to mention ice shard is nearly worthless. 250k dmg shards vs 10m+ Melee builds? lmfao… and we have to ge tin melee range for novas??? CC is the only thing we have…
you need to get “gud”. Actually learn how the game works at high end content, synergies, math, and how it compares to other classes in game. My barb friend clears content with ease, sorcs can not.
Do me a favor and never post on these forums again. People speaking on sh*t that they don’t understand makes me absolutely livid.
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Wait til’ you get to 100, run higher Tier NMs, and get one shot.
why do you even answer him , he’s obviously a low iq bozo baiting
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Yeah it is pretty trash, I wish we could steal the wow classic devs and trade them the dollar tree Diablo 4 devs. The wow classic devs are amazing, they communicate, they rationalize feedback etc… Diablo 4 devs are just so lost and out of touch.
Hydra-minions and fireball a Disaster but blizzard buff necro minions more and more where is the hydra-minion buff??
Imagine if you actually went through your wall of text in literal sense that I barely managed skim through and pay attention to each callout out of no where, where your definition of trolling is reading something you disagree with. Kudos to you
So me playing Druid and be neutral, while voicing that sorc for me is not up my style is the crime?
Maybe if you didn’t toss bravado left and right, and even laid out like this Reddit - Dive into anything
I’d actually apologise for my part in being ignorant to certain extent
Ps Do something about your wall of text writing style, don’t be hypocrite
I’ve played Sorcerer in the beta/server slam, and have been playing since early access. To be honest, I don’t think our problem is a question of “buffs”. I think it is deeper, a question of design.
All my comments are based on end-game (80+) and considering Nightmare Dungeons (20+ levels higher than you), as everything else (except for Uber Lilith) is around your level and you can simply destroy.
Let’s break this into parts:
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Survivability: because we don’t stack a lot of Armor, and Resistances are broken, and Barriers can’t go above 100% of your life (so you can only have “200%” health, so to speak), and we don’t get Fortified, we rely on active abilities to stay alive. But even so, we don’t have enough damage reduction, and we can get 1-shot easily. This is a big problem, because when combined with item 2 below, it makes us “lose” the race of “I need to kill it, before it can kill me”. Also, with the amount of CC and AoE damage that can fly around (lightning pillars, Terror, Freeze, Fire, Ballista shot from outside the screen, charging boars… you name it), it becomes very difficult to avoid the 1-shot.
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Damage: not just a matter of the number (which is much lower than a Barb, Necro), but how it is dealt. Frost Shards either requires things to be frozen (which means that bosses are harder), or the damage is greatly reduced. Other builds, such as Fire are completely underwhelming, not just on the damage, but the dynamics of it: what enemy stays stationary long enough for firewall to be effective? Hydras are useless, so is Fireball. Sure, there are some nice cooldowns like Unstable Currents, but the CDR is huge. We need higher damage, but more than that, we need a change on how it is dealt.
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Mechanics: even though we are a ranged class, the way we fight is close to melee range (Arc Lash, Frost Nova, etc). But we do not have damage mitigation like other classes, such as Barbarians and Druids. Besides the survivability fact, it also limits our playstyle. Sure, there are some other builds, like Meteor, but in the end, the big damage comes when enemies are frozen, which are mostly applied through Frost Nova. On top of that, we are very limited gearwize: due to how mana hungry builds are, and the fact that we need Ice Armor, Teleport, Flame Shield all the time, we need Cooldown Reduction, Mana Regen and Mana Cost Reduction in every slot of gear where that is available. That means a trade-off with things like Crit Chance, Crit Damage, Vulnerable Damage, Total Armor, Damage Reduction, among other things. The compromise is not worth it.
The feeling that I get is: Sorcerer class creators were thinking about Diablo 2, while other classes were thinking about Diablo 3, when they created the class. There are some things we all loved back in D2, like the Frozen Orb + Firewall combo, but that with the fast-paced action of D3/D4, I don’t know if they make sense (again, Firewall is cool, but how can you make sure things will stay on top of it long enough?). I think a re-design is needed, not just a buff. Buffs to things like Resistances might put a band-aid on our class, but will make other classes godly, and thus, break the game.
Anyway, my 2 cents here, sorry for the long post.
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Funny it didn’t take them long to dumpster the sorc in the betta after a few streamers started crying about the power level of a 25 sorc.
Yet to fix the sorc it takes months. When they can start by reverting what they did to the class in the beta.
And also give back the third enchantment slot they took away.
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Wudijo said hydra is still good! I need to Get good and learn to play. Hydra is trash now? I don't think so - Diablo 4 Server Slam Update - YouTube
Is that the rogue main player?
You can feel, that the game had 2 or 3 developer switches, and some classes got never there real class design, or are even finshed.
I’m a level 100 sorc. I also “wreck” everything I touch, now try to do a NM above 60.
Spoiler: you’ll get one shot constantly.
However, the community’s complaint in regards to sorcerer are very much valid, what I do in 10 minutes can be done by every other class within 3 minutes, and that’s embarrassing. It’s funny how quick they were to nerf Hydra back in beta but now we’re getting no responses in regards to sorc adjustments, at all.
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