Yea. I believe the primes are stronger because they are fueled by things that are innately part of humans; fear, hatred and destruction. Meanwhile duriel and andariel are fueled by suffering, one of the flesh and the other of the mind, things which humans can more easily ignore or combat.
mephisto recovering is proof.
All of the primes were in the black soulstone.
when it got shattered they were set free thus all would need time to recover.
yes, Meph was a lot weaker, but hes also more pwoerful so the lessers could of recovered somewhat faster to a degree to fight but not at full strength.
Andariel and Duriel were both most recently killed in D2 right? Makes sense theyâd recover a bit faster than the Primes who were released at the end of D3.
The game kind of presents it as working âfor Lilithâ(which doesnât make much sense) rather than âwith Lilithâ. which makes a lot more considering theyâd be trying to do something about the return of the Primes who should be pissed off at them.
The Lesser Evils can do more than their primary thing, too. Youâre intentionally arguing in bad faith now.
At literally no point does she express or show any fear or concern in regards to the Lessers. She views them as tools. You donât fear tools.
Using that logic, the Primes fear the Lessers. Because none of the Primes can rule all of Hell with their own power.
âin all likelinessâ So a baseless claim.
If she feared the Lessers, she would not have been OK with them being summoned to Sanctuary. How is this difficult to grasp?
If he was a threat to me until I achieved demigod power, then yes, he would be a concern and I would do whatever necessary to prevent him from being a problem. Something that Lilith does not do. Because she does not fear them. Because they are beneath her.
JFC your own arguments prove my point.
Perhaps. Thatâs probably the only explanation that would make sense, aside from the writers just forgetting / retconning how strong Duriel is. In which case, Lilith isnât stronger than the Lessers, or rather, she only temporarily was, so that does make a fair bit of sense. They definitely should have had more of an explanation for what was going on with Duriel in game, though. Itâs not even clear how he got there since it doesnât seem like Elias summoned him.
I chalked it up to the fact Inarius has been abandoned by the Light and not nearly as powerful as he once was. His followers and he only believes heâs what he used to be due to pride and arrogance.
That final cinematic is so great, when Inarius and all those fanatics realize their faith was meaningless and they had marched to their death lol
The lesser evils Azmodan and Belial also beat the prime evils Baal, Mephisto, and Diablo and banished them on Sanctuary. I think people put too much stock in titles or supposed powers that fictional characters have and use it to justify that no one beneath them could possibly beat them.
For that matter why is Andariel the first boss in Diablo 2? Every minor boss who comes after her is stronger than she is.
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The greaters and lessers are still âreformingâ after the incident with the black soulstone, tho they are close and as mephisto said, have much of their power, they are still in a weakened state. Partly why Lilith is in a hurry during the campaign. She wants to get her father before he reforms.
shes a prime evils daughter and undefeated yet, at full strength.
duriel was just killed along with andy and meph not too long ago, and clearly meph doesnt have his full power yet, so neither does andy or duriel.
Itâs worth noting that Inarius is presented as a credible threat to Lilith.
And Inarius wasnât an Angiris Council member and spent the last few thousand years being tortured in Hell.
Taking that into consideration, that would seem to imply Lilith at the end of D4 was perhaps a bit weaker than the Lessers normally.
Lilith was always powerful. Not close the the primes or lesser evils though. Nothing is stronger than the 7. The thing is in D4 the seven evils are greatly weakened due to the whole black soulstone fiasco and none are at near their full strength yet.
So that means that all children of Prime Evils are stronger than the lesser evils ? Because Mephisto has like 70 child just like Lilith just by himself according to the novels
This is a big part of the problem I have. Inarius probably wasnât even close to being on par with a Lesser prior to his initial capture, and heâs almost definitely weaker in DIV than he was then.
The game makes it quite obvious that the Primes are still reforming. The state of the Lessers is a lot more ambiguous. They probably should have had Duriel in chains or something (and offer some kind of explanation for why he was present).
Itâs literally not. Iâm not arguing something that isnât part of the topic. Iâm not creating a scenario that isnât already present.
Thatâs hyperbole, not strawman. You just proved you donât know what a strawman is. I used hyperbole to illustrate the absurdity of your argument.
Crazy that we actually agree on something. Too bad you canât see past your own pride to accept youâre wrong about Lilith. Especially after so many people have explained why youâre wrong.
Iâm exiting the conversation now. Like I said last night, youâve gotten your answer several times over, from multiple people. You donât want to accept any answer except whatever answer youâve already made up your mind about. Which means this entire thread is pointless.
My god you guys will get triggered by anything. WoKe ViRuS. Lol.
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yes, but adria trapped their souls (else how else would they be in the stone if they had a body prior to that?)
they all got released at same time.
black soul stone had all 7 of them at same time. (its how Diablo became the Prime Evil as it was all 7 in 1)
yes becasue she assured herself sheâd be stronger than one of the prime evilsâŚshe never assumed her plan would failâŚ
this was explained in D3 iirc.
They constantly fight eachother to prevent 1 from taking over.
so it isnt 1 v 1 its everyone vs everyone.
This is why it took 4 of the lesser to banish the 3 primes (just banish not defeat)
All of them are selfish. Diablo, Baal, Meph would never allow one of their brothers to rule. They worked together as their only direct rivals were themselves.
not baseless.
Lilith planned to rule hell.
Andariel & duriel would not work for someone who wanted to ursurp their rule.
againâŚshe assumed (entirely w/o any doubt it could fail) sheâd get Mephâs power.
with that power even with them summoned and finding out she used em sheâd have nothing to fear as shed be stronger.
Remember: The primes fight and soemtimes beat the angiris council members. (this is stated in lore)
Lilith couldnt beat Inarius, who was not even part of said council, except by sneak attack.
thats half true.
as lore also states it was a plan devised by them to obtain soulstones & the worldstone. (the treasure both heaven and hell fought for originally)
In truth, the Primes' banishment to the mortal realm had been masterminded by the Primes' themselves. Izual had told them of the soulstones, and helped them devise the scheme. It was intended that through the use of the soulstones, they would corrupt the Worldstone, and through it, humanity, and its nephalem
so we canât actualyl say they lsot as they had planned to lose and could of faked losing.
Please show me where in this thread people were arguing that Lilith is just as weak as any regular demon. No one said that.
Thatâs not what hyperbole is.
Seems like most people in this thread agree that Lilith is weaker than the Lessers, thereâs just a discussion over how strong the Lessers were in the main campaign of DIV.
I had forgotten Andarial and Duriel were trapped in the Black Soulstone as well. So I guess then they only reformed marginally faster than Mephisto, makes sense then even if not presented very clearly in game.
I didnât really get that. Inarius and his followers certainly presented him as a credible threat to Lilith, yet she taunts him with why heâs not as sheâs ripping off his wings and killing him. All it took was a single doubt and the whole army crumbled, same as Inarius.
I think this has more to do with Inarius mentally crumbling at that point. I also think itâs kind of a silly scene though, because heâs confused about not hearing the Heavens when Lilith is very clearly still alive, lol. Considering his whole plan was to kill her in order to find redemption, one would think that heâd actuallyâŚyou know, try to do that.
Edit: He also didnât pierce her heart when that was what he was obsessed with. Itâs kind of a sloppy scene, imo.