Both damage are additive now. But if we are talking about Glyph both give multiplicative Glyph bonus damage. Control damage is higher because it takes more effort to achieve the CC effect than vulnerability. It is common for sorc player pick both Glyph as nowadays we use at least 7 Glyph board and in some case we go for the max 8 Glyph.
Control not working with boss until you stagger him, just let you know.
Say whaaaat? I only use 5 on my Meteor/Firewall build. Too much good things you give up on if you try to cram in those extra glyph slots, imo. When you factor all that in itâs just not worth it.
Itâs an expression that describes when someone comments on a dead thread, thus reviving it. In this case the thread was originally from June 2023 and was dead for nine months before some rando responded to it for no good reason.
Not sure why people keep replying to it since then, either, seeing as the subject of the thread and the first half of the discussion on it concern mechanics that no longer work the same way now as they did then. Can we please just let this thread die?
Said the players who reached AOZ T25 and Gauntlet no 1 place. Have you checked their paragon in the build they shared?
It is too complex to explain to you the difference. The most simple way I can say is most thing you get from none glyph is additive bonus, life and mana which is less important compare to the multiplicative bonus you get from each Glyph. It is also easier to change your build from offensive to defensive with more Glyph when you try harder content.
Anyone use less than 7 Glyph board is an amateur, you can continue to use 5 Glyph. Or start to learn how to min max your character.
Yah, 5 seems kinda low but ive never done meteor / hybrid.
7 does work for some builds but for other builds not so much when you look at net gains. Number of glyphs can become a vanity metric, so always best to test. Ideally Blizzard allows us to snapshot builds while in Test dummy zone so we can flip back and forth to test.
Lastly⌠use case plays a big part too. So you could chase glyph count and get maximum damage but get 1 shot by a tanky barb because you didnt go after any damage reduction as a hypothetical example
Yeah that was exactly my perspective as well. I donât need the extra 10% multiplicative damage that I would get from a glyph because my Meteors and Xâfals procs already one shot everything. I would much rather instead grab all the damage reduction against burning nodes and other things like lucky hit chance or less damage from elites that I canât get in any other way.
Yah. I wouldnt be surprised if some of those 8 board paragons were an elaborate prank to get competitive players to use suboptimal builds. Because what very competitive player would share their build unless it was a fake one?
With less damage reduction affixes in s4, maybe these damage reduction nodes become more important.
Im wondering how important legacied chests will be important in some cases where affixes are mostly damage reduction and armor. For one tanky barb in particular this season, i have to have two DR modifers + armor on chest minimum to survive the 1 shot.
Just run a spreadsheet calculate yourself why 8 glyph, 7 glyph or 6 glyph.
You donât make a build based on assumption, it is always data driven. You see other competitive playerâs paragon just to try to understand the reason of their choice and it is always up to your own calculation to optimize your paragon board.
The sorcerer paragon board and barbarianâs board is different, it is always most optimized to have as many glyph unlocked and plus the best legendary node you pick. If you pick two legendary node then the most optimum is 7 glyph, if pick one legendary node is best go 8 glyph. Barbarian donât need 7 board because of their multiplicative damage rely on the damage while berserking bonus in magic nodes.
D4 damage is always about stack as much of multiplicative damage as possible, because this is how the mathematic works in the game. If you want to build differently is always your choice. No one force you to use any board, we can just share with you why certain build is less optimize if you care to ask.
The assumption here is that there are no damage caps, there are no separate damage buckets, tool tips are correct, there are no bugs with glyphs, etc. Understanding damage is overly / unnecessarily mysterious and complex. In general i like the data driven approach via a spreadsheet, but what sounds right on paper doesnt match how blizzard works.
Coming from someone that has done a lot of testing whats listed on paper as damage to actual damage using simple A / B testing.
I already put this user âDarthTalonâ to ignore list long ago, so donât need to reply my post as I cant see and only appear as âIgnored Contentâ with a forum user associated with it.
Youre responding to a group discussion, Olive. This is not Oliveâs discussion. Everyoneâs opinion counts.
If you want to miss out on the discussion, it is your loss.
Who said anything about assumptions? I have tried all sorts of different combinations and settled on what works best for my build and play style. If anyone is making assumptions itâs the people who copy and paste meta builds blindly relying on whoever created them to have done all the hard work. I am not saying those content creators donât do their due diligence but I prefer to do my own testing and make my own builds.
So toxic and elitist, my word! Go touch grass bro. Your way isnât the only or even the best way.
Be careful or he will block you. You are the last person he hasnt blocked for disagreeing with him and he will no longer have anyone to talk to.
And of course with any disagreement or criticism, heâll accuse you of being toxic troll. Lets start the count down⌠4⌠3⌠2âŚ
Continue with what you doing, you are the toxic fella who reply my post first. If you like to play with 6 Glyph and play non meta build is your own preference. This thread for sharing, not trolling. I have added you to ignore list, dont bother to reply further
what spreadsheet ? Can you share ?
I mean we can build one to check damage, Macrobioboi has a video demonstrate how to calculate your damage and how to scale it. It is for Necromancer but you can apply it to other classes also. He also demonstrate a 7 Glyph Paragon at the end of video (Minitue 47:00) and explain the benefit. I cant find his spreadsheet but he has put all the formula in his video.