im saying that is not a choice anymore if people have to use all of thier defensives because the game forces you to. Ive said this since the beginning. Because all of the defensives dont have a negative attached to them there is no downside in investing in them meaning that, yes, i KNOW that if this was the case everyone would choose that.
irrelevant. they invest = they get.
simple as.
its not up to you to decide what people choose, its up to blizzard, and currently they decided that people shouldnât get what they want despite investing.
thatâs the problem.
I agree. I played only barb and nec in beta and at 25 I had to sacrifice a few things I didnât wanna give up. As for core skills I wanted to make use of 3 different core skills on my barb (ww, upheaval, and hota for different situations) but that wasnât gonna happen with the limited slots. Hope they give us at least 2 more slots but I wonât expect anything.
Yes, its a huge problem. and some people canât seem to get that through their thick heads, which is really starting to grind my gears.
the fact the guy above canât even understand the macdonalds analogy is astounding.
There could be 20 buttons to press, people would still complain they need more.
still better than 6.
if i so damn well please, i should be able to invest a single point in every single ability on the tree, even if its super ineffective and gimps my character, and still have access to each and every one of those abilities.
if i invest 1 point into 20 different abilities, i should have access to all 20, not 6, because otherwise the game robs me of 14 points that i invested.
Why would i delete my post? Because people disagree? I understand the mcdonalds analogy and even used it against your argument but you dont care i guess. The problem with more slots isnt that people can gimp their character if they want, no one will do that. Its that it forces everyone into using more skills. It doesnt give you the choice to do so, it FORCES you. I would rather have to choose my skills instead of being forced to use all of them. Again this is just my opinion, doesnt include any facts, same as yours, hope you can understand that.
Thatâs exactly my point proven.
Stopping trade only stops rmt bots. People will still bot for bis gear.
i didnât ask you to delete anything.
your attempt to reverse engineer my macdonalds analogy fell flat.
The problem with more slots isnt that people can gimp their character if they want, no one will do that. Its that it forces everyone into using more skills
so you literally contradict yourself in the same breath there, nice going.
ânobody will do thatâ (yeah no s***, but they should be able to if they want to)
âit forces everyone to use more skillsâ
bruh. how are you gonna say nobody will invest into more than 2-3 (or a total of 6) skills and in the same breath say that everyone is going to be forced to do just that?
bruh. no one wants to, if they want to, they can in the current system aswell, its a non issue. Im saying that the value of investing one point into certain skills is not only worth it but mandatory when you add more slots. Again, taking 40% reduced damage is not something you will not take when you have the choice between that or 3% more damage. The problem AGAIN is that no matter how many times you say âwide or deepâ is that in the current skill tree wide wins EVERY. SINGLE. TIME.^
And you cant just say that an argument falls flat because� You dont like the argument?
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bruh. no one wants to
You donât know that.
for all you know someone might want to do that for a meme build, people can have a million different reasons for making a suboptimal, niche or a straight up bad build, and if thatâs what they want to do, they should be allowed to do that.
if they want to, they can in the current system aswell, its a non issue.
see thatâs where you are wrong. they can invest in 20 different abilities, sure, but they can only use 6 of them at a time.
the fact you still donât get it is just like⌠wow⌠how can you be so thick.
And you cant just say that an argument falls flat because� You dont like the argument?
more because your analogy doesnât hold up at all - it doesnât describe whats going on in the game, whereas mine does exactly that.
so gimping your build is only possible when you can use more than six abilities, got it. Your analogy was stupid from the start so of course my trying to work around something very much pandering to your argument would not be extremely success full. And i sure if you were able to use all 20 skills at once you would be able to make some really bad builds, but i dont think that makes it worth the fact that if you were able to use all the skills, the number âgoodâ build / every build pushing higher difficulty content would decrease. Two sides of the same coin.
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Okay.
lets try again.
SLOWLY this time. OK?
You walk into Mcdonalds (Diablo 4) and you request a burger with 20 different condiments (you invest points in 20 different skills) on it, right?.
the cashier says âYes sirâ and takes your money, including the amount you paid for 20 extra condiments, and delivers you a burger with only 6 condiments in it. (robbing you of 14/20 condiments that you PAID for, aka 14 points of skill investment into your ability tree)
You complain, saying âuhm, excuse me, i paid for 20 condiments, not 6, where are the remaining 14?â
the cashier says âOh iâm sorry, you can still get the condiments you paid for, but youâll have to come back tomorrow to get them, additionally you will need to trade some of the condiments on the burger i just gave you now in return for the remaining 14 you paid forâ (you need to stop, switch skills in and out of your bars, bringing your game to a halt and sacrifice other skills in the process).
do
you
get
it
now
?
Okay.
Slowly.
Let say the cashier lets you get all of the 20 condiments on the burger.
Its the best burger ever, Hurray!
Now everyone wants your burger, which they can have.
Everyone now gets the exact same burger.
Also, the taste of a burger gets put on a leaderboard, wow!
Now everyone on the top of the leaderboard has the same burger, but everyone who wanted to try something different, is stuck below them⌠hmm pretty annoying, dont you think?
How can we make it so the top of the leaderboard of âburger tasteâ is different? Make it so you cant have every single condiment because then, if done properly, some people will make equally tasty, but different burgers.
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Everyone now gets the exact same burger.
Perfect! everyone can enjoy themselves now! only limited by the CHOICE of condiments they choose to get more or less of!
some might choose more cheese or more paddies, while other customers will choose more pickles or onions, hell maybe someone even wants some chocolate in there, and who would i be to judge if thatâs what tickles their fancies?
if everyone has the option to choose among an assortment of 20 total types of condiments, some might chose 1 of each, some might chose 5 of 5 particular types, and sacrifice the rest, some might choose 2 of type and sacrifice only a few, because ultimately everyone can only get a total of 20 of any type on their burger, which automatically means that if they want more of 1 type, they have to sacrifice to have more or have less of another.
no matter what, nobody is restricted to a choice of only 6 condiments.
aaaahhhh but you see here. What if someone wants to compete with your burger, but the only way to do so is to copy it exactly? The problem is that, ironicly, with more freedom, comes less choice in this case. Because if you have to put on everything on your burger for it to be as good as others, essentially copying them, doesnt that take away choice?
if they want to compete with mine, feel free to do that, but if they go with the same option as i do, there wonât be much competition, nor will i care.
its a matter of taste.
ironically, if weâre both restricted to only 6 condiments, the competition will be more restrictive because both of us will have less options to choose from, which will ultimately result in similar burgers because we had to sacrifice variety in favor of 6 different types only.
not if those options are equally good. if you have 2 options that are equal vs 10 options that are equal but with 80% of the taste, i say let more people be equal in there choice and pick the second option.
Simple does not equal worse