yeh weird my reply post to your post kinda went above wierd .) but will give you an heart again .)
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I definitely dont. But it sadly does seem to be what we are getting here.
That said, trading should never be allowed. It is antithetical to the core of an A-RPG.
Unfortunately, D4 fails here too, by allowing rares to be traded.
I kinda agree.
The main reason not to have trading is that trading is bad for an A-RPG. It allows players to circumvent hunting for their own loot. It turns things into a boring easy mode, where players are just going for specific BiS items, instead of journeying through the items that the game threw at them, trying to get the best out of an imperfect situation.
Also agreed. Crafting is essentially as bad as trading. For many of the same reasons.
Crafting should only exist as āitem enhancingā, not creating new items.
The one and only item source should be; go out in the game world to kill monsters and open chests. The end.
None of this easy trading or crafting mode. Nor the absurd droprates from D3, which pretty much did the same damage as trading does.
Instead, let the item hunting to do its thing; randomly throwing items at you, without being ruined by weird systems allowing us to skip it.
D3 is a terrible game for the most part. But removing the AH and turning items BoA was genuinely the most truly good thing that game ever did.
You do realize that it is very much trading games that allows this to happen?
Keep droprates low, and dont allow trading. That is the way.
Both D2s and D3s approaches are bad.
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I think we need more D3 from an environment and gameplayā¦ we need things like the background crumbling and stuff happening ā¦ like being able to drop the chandeliers.
I think we need the bonuses from killing chains of mobs and environmental destruction.
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and another heart for the upper posts ffs you guys really get it!! finaly people with a brain are comming foward ty! we need break the chain of boredom d3 gave us all this years!
Yeah it just feels like they are trying to copy Diablo Immortal a bit, D2, and Path of Exile. the itemization feels kind of bad and boring up to level 25 imo. Your main stat barely gives you much of a boost if you even get it on gear, whereas you can get tons of base ability, close damage, distant damage, etc in comparison.
Relying on overly random affixes takes me back to d3 vanilla again. Especially if Iām getting intelligence and strength together on loot. Itās all overly rng based and thereās no way to counter it even somewhat while leveling to help make a fun build when doing the campaign. Like say take a +1 to Bash off a rare and add it to something else.
Definitely not saying that the system works well, but the original goal seemed to be that it would not be a bad thing to get int and str on the same item (unlike D3). By having all attributes offer something valuable to all classes. No main stats anymore.
In any case, the balancing for this seems off by quite a bit. Definitely lots of work to do, if that is where they intended to end up.
As for attributes on items not giving much, it also seems like the paragon system is where you are meant to get a bunch of your attribute points.
I think it was a mistake not to have attribute points for each lvl too however.
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No
No we didnāt
Iād like that, I could make money like I did in early D3
People that disagree with your trash take =/= āloudmouth casualsā
I like D4
My friends who grew up on D2 like D4
My friends and I who were playing D2:R season again up until D4, like D4
Bye
PS I liked D3 too, great last season
D4 is not meant for D2 or D3 players. It does its own thing. Its more like Skyrim meets Diablo and Baldurās Gate. Online Adventure Action Role-playing game
I loved D2. I played but ultimately wasnāt in love with D3. I am really liking what I am seeing of D4 so far.
It seems you posted thinking you were going to get a lot of cheers and back pats and now that you arenāt, you are big mad. Maybe D4 just isnāt for you. Not every game Blizz releases has to be everyoneās cup of tea. You can obviously have your opinions, but donāt expect people not to give you theirs in return when you post on a forum.
Have you actually played a game with bots in it? Look at classic wow, you canāt go level up your own professions because there are thousands of DKās running around mining and herbing every node.
So yes, bots do ruin peoples gameplay. The economy will be full of RmT with rampant amounts of bots. Look at wowās raiding, it turned into 80% GDKP runs where people just buy gold and pay to win. Where do they get the gold? Bots! D2 was hugely impacted by bots. A huge majority of public games are just bots playing.
How many bots did you run into playing D3 post RMAH? 0
Any game with an āeconomyā turns into a botfest.
Cry more. Go back to playing D2R and let people enjoy new content. If all you want is more D2R content, check out some of the mods people are making.
Iām actually a fan of all of those things you brought up 
. We have other games already for what you are after.
I donāt see a problem with account bound items and progress. Itās a huge QoL. It would be cool to see a HC option to remove that though. Not that it matters as Diablo is all about seasonal content unless you are casual.
I donāt see an issue with a 4 party limit? Yeah, it sucks for groups of 5-6 people but there will always be a limit and some groups will miss out. Not sure what you want them to do here as there is no winning.
While I love a good player Economy in something like WoW, I hate it in ARPG games. It feels terrible and as we have seen with D2 and PoE it creates issues like RMT sites, bots, and bots spamming websites. They ruin the gaming experience and the ability to interact with the community. The only trading I think there should be is between players in the same party who were there when the item dropped. Trading in grind games like ARPGās is lame.
Yes, we have D3 for a farm yourself type game, but you also have PoE and a ton of other ARPGās that do things the way you prefer and that makes them so popular and successful right? No reason for Blizzard to break what works when they have their niche in the market that a ton of people enjoy. Just think of how lame games like Monster Hunter would be if you could just trade for weapons and armor rather than battling monsters and earning them yourself.
Earning drops yourself is so much more rewarding than trading for it. I found out how much better it feels with Runescape, you can buy nearly everything there but with Ironman mode you can play with no trading and earn it yourself and itās a far better experience. I did love playing the GE though for easy gold.
D4 had over 1 million people play the beta and will likely get far more than that this weekend on the open beta, Iām sure it will do just fine.
This is so silly. Most games are actually like this, trading like what you want is not the norm in video games and is fairly uncommon. Every popular MMO has limited trading, while in WoW just recently with DF we had a crafting rework to craft BiS items for other players (made over 20mil with that and used a tiny portion to buy D4 
), you needed to do difficult endgame content for the resources needed to have an item made and upgraded. You canāt just trade the item over to a noob with some gold. There are only a couple of items you can trade freely outside of the trash items and they are only used by people trying to win a world first race. Itās the same for All of the other MMO games, you work for the good gear and traded gear is just for getting started at best if the game even has it.
The only way I would enjoy traded gear in games like this is if they go the Ashes of Creation route and gear breaks over time and needs to be replaced, and that would be horrible in a ARPG.
Itās why I did.
but technically it was the side effects of the AH. BLizzard went on a sometimes twice a week rebalance spree that first month or 2 I tried to get into d3.
oh crapā¦this build is farming hardcore for the AH sales. nerf it.
new build arises, nerf it,
it got to the point you needed to read patch notes to know jsut how nerfed your class was this week before you logged in. or read after when you were thinking something feels different. and not in a good way.
I wasnāt even farming for AH. I jsut found liked builds on my own that farmers also made. it got old.
I came back after AHās death and blizzard just said manā¦you all players farm how you want.
So why would we get another diablo 2? D4 is exactly what I want and I suggest you to donāt get too attached to things that doesnāt work anymore.
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Agreed. Full trading should have been in this game, there should have been no limitations. You canāt even salvage some thingsā¦
It really is such a bad decision based on laziness and the voice of casuals or people who play solo. There are so many reasons to include it in the game and no good reasons not to. It wonāt change at this point though, Itāll be a game where you complete the story and play something else.
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Hard disagree. Nothing like it so far.
It sounds to me like the trading economy will actually be pretty robust. Rares will be the main bases to turn into legendaries. Finding rares with great stats will garner great trades. Iām looking forward to it. The game should have 100% open trading, but so long as this system is healthy, Iām ok with it. Without trading in end game, it will be hard to hold my attention, and Iām far from alone.
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Who made you the arbitor of what the community desires? You sound like a goober bro.
I have no idea where you guys get the idea that D4 is a copy of D3? It is not, not close enough. If anything, itās closer to the style of D2 without the junk itemization and yet to be determined grind runs in the same map over and over and over again just to acquire a weapon or gear. Stop thinking that D4 is like D3 because itās not.
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Because saying how trading how everything d2 is dumb but the fact is , that is what made diablo what it is today.
Trading is dumb, auction house is dumb, blah blah blah, just enjoy the game, so why do you need to participate in that? Why do those things have to effect you? Just play the game at your pace. Many players play SSF with no problem just like how many players enjoy trading, dueling and MFing the same spots over and over. You guys have the option to SSF but people donāt have the option to trade and easy mode? Pretty hypocritical.
Diablo 2 for you is the greatest game they ever had in the franchise. Itās the clear winner and hit of their whole franchise and reason fans are still here, being believers of something that can potentially bring that work back which we were hinted&told that we would get a feel of, playing it. (Whoever thought removing AH and turning items BoA is truly just a newbie) that is 100% what killed D3, BoA more than AH because there will always be other ways to trade. There will also always be hacks/bots and other ways these sellers will powerlevel on your account and do all that stuff aka p2w as well. Just enjoy the game at your own rate.
Crafting is fun just like other stuff, everyone has their preferences. Stuff like that is not game ruining unless it forces you to do that to get BiS and/or valid to be usable making your char playable.
Love how everyone just judges everyone and contradicts themselves. All these stuff trading/crafting/etc. being easy mode shouldnāt affect you. You donāt like something, donāt do it.
Everyone just needs to stop comparing themselves and get jealous of others that want to do this stuff that āruinsā their gameplay and experience. Itās not like they can follow you everywhere and steal your dungeons in this game.
D4 is beta so hard to say but I was hinted at some D2 feel of gameplay but absolutely none. Aside from what I expected, still will try the full version and end game before giving a final judgement.
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