When will the Arch-Angels Tyrael and Malthael be reborn and made whole again?

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I am sick and tired of the HIGH HEAVENS being utterly IGNORED by Diablo writers. It is lazy, it defies all common sense, and it shatters continuity, not to mention the feeble rules which Blizzard put together in the first place.

We have seen time and time again that when we kill or maim or otherwise mangle an evil they are ALWAYS BACK in very short order. In some cases just a matter of a year or two and they are rebirthed from from the shattered spine of Tiamat (If my lore serves me).

The same rule is SUPPOSED TO APPLY THE ANGELS AS WELL! So why hasen’t TYRAEL BEEN MADE WHOLE YET??? It seems the reason for his fall is well over. It is time for him to BE MADE WHOLE and get his angelic wings back and RECLAIM JUSTICE!

But even MORE SO, it is the need for MALTHAEL to be reborn from the Crystal Arch as the ARCHANGEL OF WISDOM!

RESTORE THE BALANCE!

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how so? The ending of d3 left the high heavens im shambles. Also, Tyrael didnt die, at least not that we know of between d3 and d4.

that is true

The rules are similar, but they arent the same as for the burning hells. Also, as i said, the Crystal arc took a heavy hit in d3.

That bein said Tyrael chose to be mortal. He even had the choice at the end of d3.

as for the differences, thats a great point. Angels, or Archangels, dont just get reborn, or reform like Demons. When Mephisto reforms, he is always the same entity for example, with all his memories and personal traits.

Angels reform as well, but as a totally new being. Now, Archangels still represent their virtue, still, they are “new” beings.

I love lore discussions btw, but before you call out something as lazy, or defying any common sense - its also important that you know a bit about the story :wink:

as for “when” we will see more of the high heavens again. Id assume that it very well might take an expansion or two. Diablo as the prime evil heavily destroyed the high heavens, not only Angels, but also its very foundation. I could assume that this takes quite a long time.

Also, The evils dont just instantly reform as well as you made it out to be earlier. often enough they took many many many many years to reform, and regain their strength, that, if they werent imprisoned in a soulstone.

As of now, with the state we know the high heavens are mostl ikely in, i dont see a reason why the angels would risk their very existence to fight on sanctuary. They hardly care about sanctuary, so it doesnt bother them a bit if mephisto is playing his games there, as long as the Worldstone isnt the focus.

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When will the Arch-Angels Tyrael and Malthael be reborn and made whole again?

Try again when you understand how the High Heavens function and how the Chrystal Arch works.

So you never played D3?

Incorrect try again.

So you really do not know how the Crystal Arch works.

That is the function of the Priests of Rathma.

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Easy.

When the bean counters tell Big Fergie this will be profitable.

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I would like a lore subsection like D3 had. But it might not matter because some people do not care about the lore and others appear to know very little about it. All they want to do is move across the screen in 3 clicks and one shot everything along the way. Finish everything as soon as posable and come to the forum to complain that they no longer have anything to do.

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yeah, please reborn Tyrael into an asian, preferable white korean fringe-haircut oppa. :heart_eyes:

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Well, you see… production & budget overruns, staff turnover… and they’re having to reconstruct the game every few months, etc.

I don’t know what this means. Besides your feeling impatient to have the G.O.A.T. return to us (personally, I’m hoping for a much better game state & new writers before he returns, just out of respect for the character). The “reason for his fall” might have nothing much to do with his remaining obscure and/or mortal. Narratively, there are many ways to handle this… just as there are many ‘new’ characters & plot-lines that could be introduced instead. I almost would prefer them to burn out their low-effort years on uncompelling “new” characters like they’re doing…

They had interesting potential with Akarat, and they apparently turned him into a homunculus to replace dog-form Mephisto. So let’s wait a couple more years for Tyrael, hm? Cut the man some slack - he’s been through a lot.

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Tyrael and melthael are on holiday atm and are unable to help sanctuary at this time…unfortunately all the other angels are in lockdown from a demonic disaster plz call again later.

We hope this automated heavenly call service has helped.

We recorded your phone call for quality purposes

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I used to care about the lore - until Diablo 3. It’s made me apathetic to whatever lore they write in. When you have a story in D1 that carries and funnels into D2, then hire different writers a decade later (who probably never played D1 or D2) that then gives us a dumpster fire story in D3… Might as well be fanfic at this point.

But I 100% support a lore subsection!

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I have people telling me I am wrong and that I do not know lore, but I do, and I am not wrong.

Archangels are “born again” from the Crystal Arch if they die. That cannot be disputed. I never said that Malthael would be exactly the same being, the “Archangel of Death” again. He won’t be, for which I am very glad. He will return to his original state as the Archangel of Wisdom again. Tell me anything that I said which disputes this? I didn’t.

As for Tyrael, no, he isn’t dead- but neither is he whole again. What I want is for him to get his wings back and become a full Archangel again and stop these “mortal” shenanigans. This may not require an entire “new birth” from the arch, but I have to believe that there must be some ritual or something which could restore Tyrael to his prior state. Redeem him from his fall and restore all his powers and have him return as the Archangel of Justice once more.

That is what I want. It doesn’t require some huge story arch. But I have to believe that Tyrael, after sticking his nose into Sanctuary’s business during every major event for the last 30 years wouldn’t just up and disappear when Sanctuary is facing its worst threat yet. WHERE IS HE? THAT is bad writing. A character SO INVESTED in the outcome of the Nephalim and helping humanity would not just disappear no matter what Imperius said or how “bad heaven was”.

Heaven was cleansed by Auriel at the end of D3. It recovered quite quickly if you remember the cinematic. The Crystal Arch was never really damaged by Diablo. We stopped him before he could do anything substantive. There have been books (Storm of Light?) written which took place after this event and Heaven was whole and the Arch was birthing new angels. So, there is NOTHING preventing this from happening.

Give us one scene where Tyrael comes down and converses with our character. If he is unable to help, fine, but at least have him TELL US THAT. He can tell us that Malthael was born anew in his pre corrupted state and that the Heavens are healing but that they are unable to get directly involved. SOMETHING.

This makes perfect lore sense. Stop telling me I don’t know the lore, when it comes to the angels I am A SELF PROFESSED EXPERT! :smiley:

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This is the same confused… confusion. No, it’s not “bad writing” that Tyrael happens not to have wandered into - crossed paths with - the characters currently in D4. You don’t know what he’s doing. You don’t know what he wants. And you don’t know what he knows.

Therefore, fellow mortal, cut the man some slack and let him do whatever he’s been doing (which could well be preparing to save the world from impending doom, but in secret) and be revealed to have been doing so in a story of much better quality than we’ve so far been… graced with. However far into the future is required to pull this off. Secrets can be a good thing in storytelling.

And I haven’t seen any comment from you about the general quality of the writing except inasmuch as the characters you want to see, aren’t showing up yet. Well, sorry, that automatically disqualifies you. So nyaaaah. :stuck_out_tongue:

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But this proves it :point_down:

Incorrect if an angel dies the crystal arch will at some point create a new angel with part of the essence of the fallen one. The fallen angel does not come back as in a resurrection. The amount of angels the Lightsong can give birth to is finite—it is a case of them embodying a set amount of Anu’s power. If an angel is killed, a replacement angel will be created by the Arch, but such an angel is still a different individual from the one he is replacing.

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Biggest question for Diablo lore nerds like myself…

Where do we out the book of rathma WHERE?!?!?

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Maybe with the 2nd expansion.

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I get the correction - but these distinctions become semantic. Is Akarat… Akarat, post-VoH? Is he Mephisto? Yes and no. It’s one of those ageless debates about the identities of ‘reincarnated’ or ‘reassigned’ or ‘reconstructed’ beings. When Tyrael became mortal, it was easy for the audience to track his identity. When/if he’s ‘replaced’ by the new Tyrael, it’s harder to keep track. The magic device is a cypher, its machinations are beyond our brains.

But he’ll still be Tyrael. Gone briefly, and then back. Or he’ll be Gandalf the White. The audience will know.
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But to the OP’s angst about unresolved crises… as Inarius ‘proved’ to us, Heaven is in disarray, or at least in political flux. We don’t know what they’re brewing. We don’t know what Diablo is brewing.

What a perfect moment for Tyrael to show up: when its revealed what these realms have been brewing. I don’t see the (narrative) problem. If anything, I want them to take their time, assign better writers, or hire some veteran script doctors, and do Tyrael justice.

(Snorts milk through nose at pun)

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I Hightly, HIGHLY Believe what Avalon said is correct…

I played D 3 and though it hasn’t Really left an ever lasting impression on me, I do recall the lore and everything Avalon said is to be true.

On a more Direct comment about the Crystal Arch.

I Believe all the Angels must gather to gather in Harmony and sing (as 1) with the crystal arch so that a New Angel can be made.
“NEW”.

They are to take up the roll of what ever angel has died (I believe).

Now because of how D 3 went down in the high heavens it’s Obviously still gonna take a long time for THAT points up to be in perfect harmony, And… and after everything that happened in Sanctuary I don’t blame the Angels for Staying away.

I wouldn’t want a repeat performance of That fiasco that’s for sure.

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they’ll just come back at random times like Belial obviously.

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Correct.

“At the center of the High Heavens lies the Crystal Arch, said to be formed of Anu’s spine. When it vibrates in perfect harmony, an angel is created, embodying an aspect of what Anu had once been.” - Lorath Nahr

New angels can be created through a process called the “Lightsong,” otherwise referred to as the "Song of the Archor “angelic resonance.” Here, angels tune their essences into the Crystal Arch in synch. Luminous bands flare off the Arch in perfect synchronization with its music, occasionally manifesting as new angels. These births are said to only occur during moments of perfect harmony in Heaven.

I really wish we had a LORE SUBSECTION.

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Won’t happen.

Blizzard fired all their writers years ago. That’s why the dlc story was something that a high school student in honors English could’ve written.

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most of your questions were answered in Diablo Immortal if you played the campaign quests. And yes Tyrael is alive but in a spirit form because of shattered Eldruin. After you found the pieces your character will be able to use Eldruin and Tyrael helps you by talking to you in specific areas you reach. All this lore was already been in progress before it got cancelled from bad decisions that is what really ruined Diablo 3. Players really thought ROS saved the game no it didn’t that was a band aid. When in Act 1 starting on a hill from nowhere was the most seen flaw in the game. the place you start off to and when you look in the map is just right besides King Leorics Castle…so basically you are in his backyard so “New Tristram” whoever worked on that zone never really looked at the old maps. Just like in Nahatu we got to zone in Travincal to bad no small fetish guys to fight just an small place of the past.