Like sure shes a demon and scary and cant be trusted and all, but her reasoning was sound. What what was the issue?
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I dunno, all the people she killed to do what she wanted? Eh, they’re just meat popsicles anyway.
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If you’re referring to how the story went (if you’ve completed the entire campaign right up to epilogue), I completely understand where you’re coming from.
Hopefully with the coming seasons as well as the expansion, the lore will shed more light as to why the current decisions were made as is because the lore is just about as riveting as the time we found out Deckard Cain was killed by a butterfly witch (spoilers: it was the most anticlimatic ending for one of the most iconic Diablo characters ever).
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yeah shes basically god, our creator, and we kill her lmao
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The problem is that D4 basically retcons her intentions as the lore had established her.
Lilith is the mother of the Nephalem. She slaughtered every angel and demon in Sanctuary to save her children. This is why Inarius banished her in the first place.
Now D4 wants us to believe that she is only using the Nephalem to gain Mephisto’s power in order to take/control hell? What?
As if the Prime and Lesser Evils would just be like, sup Lilith welcome back traitor, we all bow to you now! As if the power of a Prime Evil is sufficient, when we know that the Lesser Evils were able to overthrow the Prime Evils before. As if, even if she could rule over Hell, she would somehow be able to negotiate with Heaven and end the eternal conflict.
She even says as much to Inarius. “What you do will never be enough, Heaven will never take you back”, so WHY does she think Hell would be any different?
Instead, we spend the entire game siding with a Prime Evil who literally says “not gonna lie bro we’ll be enemies soon”, all until Mary Sue decides to say f you Mephisto
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You basically summed out how asinine the plot was and it was utterly underwhelming.
The motives of each character is profoundly incompetent (for a lack of a better term), and leaves a lot to be desired. Hell, most of the side quests’ plot makes more sense than the actual overarching one for Diablo IV. They definitely needed to hire better writers or whatever QC went into making the major plotline coherent seemed non-existent at this point.
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We as a character kill way more people then she did to achieve our ends XD
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Not going to lie, when she was telling me she’d leave me behind to protect Sanctuary while she seized control over Hell to try and end the Eternal Conflict I was like, “Okay. I guess I’m siding with you.” and then the game forces me to kill her and I’m like, “Eh, seems like the wrong choice.”
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Like she said: “Be beautiful in sin”. Well, all the murdering, cannibalism, all the corpses you see strewn around in her name.
I mean I dig it. I also think she’s pretty cool and I can get behind her motivations but you asked what she did wrong so there.
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Lilith is both good and evil, her overall goal( at least for now) we good though her means of achieving said goal go the the extreme. However now the mephisto is lurking it will likely bite us in the butt come expansion time. But it has left an interesting dynamic as a prime evil for once is actually fearing something. Mephisto was dead set on ending her which means she knows sometbing they don’t. I hope she comes back. By far the best character in the diablo plot.
Its not what you believe that matters its how you believe it.
People never get what they want, you always get the consequences of your actions.
she would destroy sanctuary.
Honesty, I believe killing her off entirely was a massive narrative mistake.
Not only is she tone of the most charismatic Blizzard villains (up there with Denathrius and Azshara in WoW, again two villains who haven’t been done justice), her motivations were something you could empathise with, and keeping her around in some form (even as just a sliver of herself, much like how Mehpisto is), would have kept things open.
Killing off such a compelling villain was so disappointing.
Blizzad hates interesting characters and I don’t know why.
She wanted Mephisto’s power to stand against the primes, and potentially end the eternal conflict for good. Power was a means to and end. The only way to beat someone at their own game is to play by their rules, and if that meant taking the power of her father in order to enact change, then that was what must have been done.
I mean, soulstones were clearly not working for Sanctuary, but low and behold, we now have Mephisto out free in the world, slowly corrupting Neyrelle. All a part of Mephisto’s reverse psychology plan of course. Which makes it even more disappointing. Lilith had the occam’s razor of solutions.
millions a day and for what do we shed all this blood, so we can cover ourselves in gold and adjourn our crowns with jewels, you people make me sick.
Is there nothing you would not do for paltry trinkets.
i thought they were spirits that would reform again unless you reach the black soul stone in the bowls off hell. But the horadrim already stole it from them and was using it to imprison them. Then death reached it like diablo reached the crystal arch and attempted to destroy them all with it. Love the lore there so much hidden in plain sight that they never point out.
Where was this said? It wasn’t.
It’s literally the other way around. She wants Mephisto’s power to be your “ally in the shadows”. She said she wants to make you, the Wanderer, the Champion of her armies. You will be the face of a new humanity that is elevated in power.
She basically wants to turn humanity in a race of super beings capable of ending the conflict between Heaven and Hell. She says she has not come to save, but to empower. Cull the weak and strengthen the strong. The flames will burn away the chaff but will temper the steel of the strong.
The problem is that a lot of people are “the weak”. Lilith and Elias watch an old man get eaten by a pack of wolves for instance because he was “weak”. Her vision for humanity is cruel. She basically disregards humans if they aren’t capable of rising to meet her vision of them. She really only respects the Wanderer because the Wanderer is strong enough to defy her.
That’s the whole point though. The Wanderer is morally good - they won’t take the easy road to fix things while sacrificing others in the process. The Wanderer legitimately values human life - they stop to help those weak and suffering along the way.
Yes, the path the Wanderer chose means that we will all have to struggle with good and evil ourselves, but that’s the morally correct choice. Genociding humanity so that through a barbaric form of Darwinian evolution mankind return to the heights of the Nephilim and end the eternal conflict is morally reprehensible even if on a cosmic scale it might be considered higher utility.
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Mephisto probably manipulated Elias into summoning Lilith so he could come back himself.
you know he’ll be the bad guy of the first expansion
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I expect they’ll expand on her story a bit more. I sort of agreed with her as well… seemed like humanity needed some preparation for when the prime evils returned. Maybe that was just a nice motive for her to sell to people.
When she turned into her second form , from “Creator of Sanctuary” to “Daughter of Hatred” I actually felt myself feeling a little less agreeable with her. That might have been by design of the devs/story writers… true form, true motives etc.
Its a case of good intentions bad execution.
She kept telling them that “I gave you free will and you squander it.” or something like that, which on its surface seems fine, but that really reads “I gave you free will and you should do what i think you should or else you are wrong.” If she truly cared about her creation she would let them live their own existance, no matter if that meant ruin. Ultimatly both her and Inarius have the same outlook on sancuary and humanity. They exist only to further their personal goals, inarius to get back into heaven, Lilith to over throw hell.
Lilith just did it with a smile.
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… but why? He was quietly forming his essence in Hell.
Of course, but I don’t believe he planned to bring his weakened self onto the mortal plane in a Soulstone when he was slowly rebuilding his strength while protected by a Lake of Fire in Hell.
As a person who has the sigil of Lilith tattooed on their skin, I would have sided with her. Sucks there wasn’t a choice in the matter.
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