leaderboards won’t hold any weight if nobody cares about the game because it’s boring
you may as well install pinball on your PC and amuse yourself with the single player highscores on that, it will be the same experience
D4 needs trading
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How is the devs implicitly allowing RMT to continue, without implementing anything to stop it such as 100% anonymous trading, any different than loot boxes or other P2W schemes that have gotten games banned in certain countries? With implicitly allowed RMT the gambler buys their chips(70-150 depending on version and country) they then spin the wheel (play the game, or bot it) in hopes of getting something they can then turn in for IRL $$$. No different. The same regulators looking at P2W and Loot Boxes should be looking at RMT in RNG based video games as well. The Devs also encourage this addictive behvior by periodically kicking certain players out of the gambling hall and then allowing them to come right back in providing they pay the entrance fee. In most gambling establishments you have to provide real identification in order to get in. Why not here?
Agreed, so they should add full on trading back in.
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They can just make it so you can only trade items that drop to players in your group. This encourages group play and prevents widespread selling.
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Yeah that is fine.
Glad you saw sense.
Bro that trading take is garbage. It helps the loot hunt. You can trade items that you literally find by playing the game for an item you want if RNG hates you. Trading gives another avenue of progression so you’re not at the mercy of RNG.
I’ve never bought anything with money in video games, but god, how can you want trading to be forbidden in an ARPG ?
If anything, everything should be tradeable, look at POE, do you think there isn’t RMT there ? Ofc there is, is it ruining the game ? Not in the slightest, being able to purchase items off of other players who don’t need them and in return buying items that you actually need is one of the Core aspects playing an ARPG, Diablo II did it, POE does it and they are the best ARPG’s that have existed, Diablo III didn’t do it and you saw where that went, lets not kill this game as well making it an offline game the requires internet connection, its dead enough already.
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Have you played Diablo 3 Reaper of Souls? That’s literally what people asked for - to shut down auction houses. Not just RMT auction house, but also normal where you trade for gold.
If they really wanted the experience to be tailored about trading things instead of finding your upgrades - they’d have some ingame marketplace - where you can post sales and look for ones too. PoE at least had global trade chat, not local one with you and 5 other people in it. PoE is already bad with all the 3rd party crap, this is even worse. I have no idea why they even enabled trading.
And this will just lead to RMT as always. If you can trade - there’s always gonna be RMT involved and it’s already thriving and we don’t even have ladders and leaderboards yet - and when we do, remember my post when there will be mass whining about whales taking top charts.
Diablo III was a dead game after they shut down the auction house, you literally log in for the new seasons, play 3-4 days, gets boring, rinse and repeat after 3 months, sorry, I don’t want to just farm useless stuff and be a hoarder, especially in a game where I have only 4 Stash tabs.
what i don’t understand is pro-traders talking about “Solo self found”
no , what many would like is a “self found” mode not a solo self found (especially in a game with raids boss etc… that’s a non sense)
basically a server where item are bound and another where items aren’t.
but other than that : no differences you may still play with pals
if you a put a server with only solo mode and a server with only multiplayer of course people would go towards the mulltiplayer mode regardless of trading being open or semi-open or closed.
especially in a mmo like aarpg.
Imagine making some nonsensical claims, lmao. Dead game you mean lack 500k always online chinese bots farming gold 24/7? So that’s what now defines not dead game? Chinese bot swarm? lol
What not defines a dead game is a ONLINE game which I can play solo from the start to the end without any player interaction whatsoever, three days ago I traded HOTA gloves for a dude, he paid me 50M, all good, we started taking about how shi tty barb is on Uber Lilith and how hard it is to kill her with our inconsistent damage.
After a few minutes of chatting, he was like “wanna try to kill her together ?” of course we failed miserably cause we suck at the game, but we went to phase 2 50% and that was a part in which neither of us had reached while playing alone.
So yes, if trading didn’t exist, I wouldn’t have met this dude, wouldn’t have chatted with him and I definitely wouldn’t have played with him, all this thanks to a small trade we did, we have been trying to kill her every night after that for the past few days, so yes my boy, trading is player interaction, trading can make you friends, trading is good for the game, its not my job to catch chinese gold sellers and they are not ruining the game for me the slightest, if you have some god complex in which you need to be rich as much as the guy that spends his money to buy gold from the chinese, that’s your problem.
You can have BiS gear in this semi casual of a grind game just by playing, you don’t need to trade, you don’t need to buy gold from the chinese, I don’t understand how this is influencing you and my casual gameplay ?
Um, competing for what exactly? Level is capped to 100, keys capped to 100, glyphs are capped to 21. Not really sure what you are so worried about to be frank. What is it the race to level cap and achievements like in d3 that worries you?
I get that you have a concern about people buying power with their money. Sure I can empathize with that. In the seasons aren’t we all going to have to start with a clean slate anyways? So is the concern then involved with buying boosts? If that’s the case how are you going to handle people boosting for free? Friends to do it daily.
THE ONLY THING, that bothers me about trading. Is that they will tune drop rates of specific stats on gear, and make them rare to find. The most wanted combinations of stats. I’m already seeing that happening. AND that is effecting me. (maybe I’m just paranoid)
He is just a salty boy, I don’t really get it, don’t like trading ? DON’T trade, imagine its that simple, you can play without this feature and quite frankly, games like POE even have SSF modes (Solo self found), where trading is forbidden, my advice to you is play SSF if you don’t like trading that much, is someone forcing you to open the discord trading servers ? is someone forcing you to buy items with gold ?
why does the game need an economy? We all know the truth when it comes to this, you want to sell your items for real money. This IS, and always HAS been, the end result of open trading of anything in a game. The rares are far more important than the legs, and even Unique’s, and no one is going to sell these items for in game gold.
Again, the reality is, the items will be sold for real money, effectively creating a pay to win environment. And yes, it does matter to my game, because there will be leaderboards, and other incentives that would give the people who pay an advantage.
Haven’t read anything dumber than this, real money earned is for real life prospects, in-game money earned (aka gold) is for in-game prospects, I’m not some rich dude born with a golden spoon in his mouth wondering how to spend my money and buying power in video games to feel good about myself and feeding my god complex.
I want to trade the gear I don’t need, how is that a bad thing, even if there are people who sell these items for money, why should I care ? how does that influence me, most of my items are BiS, I need a giga neck, those usually cost around 200-300M for Barb specifically, not sure about other classes, and what I’m suppose to farm weeks and sell yellow items to earn that gold ? Ofc I wanna sell some gear for 50-60M and buy my neck as fast as possible, I still haven’t heard any reason as to how the people buying gold with money a big problem.
D2 has been this way for YEARS. I can log into d2jsp right now and buy any item available. I really don’t see the issue. If your stance is “well there’s ladders, it’s P2W”, really?
You think the person who bought the gear has a better chance than the person who farmed the gear? The farmer is selling you things he doesn’t need, he’s already got gear. There is no world where you will ever compete on the leaderboard anyway.
it makes no sense for you to point out what game needs or not. All they need to do is 2 leagues with trade and ssf.
You don’t like trading, you are worried that other players allegedly buy items for real money - ok go play ssf. That’s just it’s, safe to say from the experience of other games that the SSF league will occupy 5 percent of the total population. Because you have to accept that people like trading.
right. I believe you like I believe in santa. You want to know the problem with people buying gold with real money, they buy the gold, then use the gold to get the best gear, thus giving them an unfair advantage to players that cannot afford to pay real money for items. The game IS competitive, and no one, no matter their financial standing, should have an advantage beyond their skill, and rng.