The "Love it or leave it" mentality needs to go

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Lets let our future overlord ai explain:

The “love it or leave it” mentality often comes up in discussions about criticism of a country, institution, or other entity. This perspective suggests that if someone is dissatisfied or critical of the place where they live or the group they belong to, they should simply leave rather than voice their concerns or work towards change. While it might sound straightforward, there are a number of reasons why this attitude can be problematic:

Suppresses Constructive Criticism and Debate: The “love it or leave it” mentality discourages dissent and shuts down the opportunity for constructive criticism. It simplifies complex issues into black and white, suggesting that one can either fully support every aspect of something or must completely reject it. But, in reality, criticism often arises from a desire to improve and refine rather than reject entirely.

Overlooks Systemic Issues: Leaving might not be a feasible option for many people due to socioeconomic constraints, family ties, or a lack of opportunities elsewhere. Furthermore, this mentality tends to overlook the systemic issues that may cause people’s dissatisfaction, instead of proposing that they remove themselves from the situation rather than addressing the root of the problem.

Prevents Progress: The ability to criticize, question, and challenge is at the heart of social and political progress. If everyone who disagreed with aspects of their society chose to leave rather than voice their concerns and push for change, progress would be severely hampered.

Promotes Intolerance: The “love it or leave it” mentality can lead to an intolerant society where dissenting opinions are not respected. This type of atmosphere can be harmful to the pluralistic nature of democratic societies where diverse opinions should be encouraged and respected.

Hinders Empathy and Understanding: This attitude also discourages empathy and understanding. By refusing to listen to criticism or understand why someone might be dissatisfied, we fail to acknowledge and validate their experiences and feelings. This lack of understanding can lead to further division and conflict.

In conclusion, while it’s easy to say “love it or leave it,” the reality is far more complex. A healthier approach involves welcoming open dialogue, encouraging criticism as a means of improvement, and understanding that people can love their country or group while still wanting it to change and improve.

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Good post, lots of people on here trying to stifle good, constructive feedback.

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Even worse is how people come in attacking others with random insults.

Generally speaking, when a game is fun and engaging, the playerbase is actually playing the game. Instead, we have this bizarre mixture of people posting suggestions, and a train of shills telling them they are “playing the game wrong” and that they “are enjoying the game”.

Yeah, right, they enjoy it so much they find every way possible to be nasty on a forum about their precious.

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Doesn’t matter how good a game is, there’s always going to be negativity.

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I have zero problems with feedback. I do have a problem with people who just want to be mad and stifle positivity.

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Agreed.

Constructive criticism to make the game better is useful.

The attitude of some to silence critiques is preposterous. The diablo games evolve anf go through multiple patches where listening to and implementing player feedback has improved the diablo games.

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That is a weird fanboy rationalization for the feedback posted here.

Good games get good reviews.

The 5-6/10 this game is getting is accurate.

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Counterpoint: Most people critical of Diablo IV or dissatisfied with it are very clearly the people who don’t want to play the game at all or see it get better. In general, I’ve seen very narrow-sighted opinions about the state of Diablo IV, opinions like “This game is going to die” or “This game will never get better. It’s doomed.”

At that point, why are you even here? You clearly have no interest in the game and you have no interest in seeing it get better, so why stick around?

I can agree that Diablo IV needs some work, but if you’re going to come in here with sheer disregard for the game, I’m not going to spend my time entertaining any thought or opinion you have about it. At which point, I will just tell you to leave.

It’s that simple.

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I’m not “fanboying”, it’s the truth, even at it’s best WoW was “dead” on the forums and “worst game ever”

Game isn’t perfect, I’d say it’s about a 7/10 for me, if the first season is good that can go up.

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Show me a thread where this mentality appears that is also constructive criticism.

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I’ve been attacked for saying “yes, we could have a server where you don’t restart seasons, but I’d also want a season restart server and that’s where I play”

I really don’t care how other people play seasons, or want to play seasons, and they should have that option to play that way, but you have to give both options

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Maybe you can take your own advice and just leave? The game is perfect in your eyes, so therefore you can go enjoy it.

Sheer disregard for the game (developers)? We pay for a product, it is fair game to criticize it whether you like that or not. They still get their paychecks.

This game has already seen 4 game directors?

It needs to go on to its 5th. Quickly.

If your only comparison is another Blizzard game, then you are indeed fanboying it.

Go read some steam reviews on well rated games. Blizz is getting dogged on because they release garbage and charge the premium for it.

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Toxic positivity.

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I don’t do reviews, I play the game and decide for myself.

The game has a lot of problems but it’s still a good game that has already given me over 100 hours.

And every game has negative reviews to boot if you want to dig into. I just gave WoW as an example because it’s quite popular. People complain on the forums about EVERY game in existence (or reddit if they don’t have forums), you can find well written negative reviews of 9/10 scored games and you can find well written positive reviews out of 3/10 games. For the most part unless the game is physically broken there is people who will like and not like it, it doesn’t make someone a fanboy because they enjoy something you don’t

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I’m going to make the educated decision on my own. If I don’t enjoy playing, I’m not going to play. Everyone that is left to discuss or complain may do so, but I’ve got other things I’d like to do.

Note: If any game that Blizzard developed had an actual responsive and collaborative development team, I am sure more people would be happy to stay and provide constructive criticism. Unfortunately, for me (and others that you’re referring to) I don’t feel the feedback is taken and if it is, heels are dug in by the developers and when change occurs its years from now. (I’m looking at all you Classic versions and Remasters, after decades of no no no no).

Bottom line, it’s up to each individual if they want to invest time in something and if they don’t want to, they don’t have to. I don’t really care what you think is “the healthy approach” (I assume to providing feedback to improve the game) because it is not worth my investment. I got my 100 hours of playtime, did everything the game has to offer, didn’t like it and am moving on.

There is no shame in doing so. :milk_glass: :butter: :cow: Yummmmm :cut_of_meat:

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I literally just said Diablo IV needs work. Read better.

Temper tantrums =/= Criticism. Developers aren’t going to parse or discern problems with their game if the only thing you give them is “Path of Exile is better” or “Diablo 2 is better” or “Itemization is bad” without elaborating what you mean by that, because there several caveats to those phrases that can be applied to them.

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Unfortunately that’s a problem in generally with most western AAA devs, they just aren’t open with comms.

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They will parse on it whenever they lose their jobs. At this point, the game just needs to move on and find a new director. The 5th director, if I’m not mistaken. Maybe they can actually bring some in to fix this mess.

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Agreed and totally get it - I’m just making a point to the OP that if there’s to be constructive criticism and a “healthy way of doing things” instead of not playing… There would be a need for openness and back and forth.

I see no point with this company, especially.

The OP is inflammatory with the title itself. Telling a community (that they don’t have the oversight nor power to direct) to act in a way THEY feel is the correct way… makes me now not want to play out of spite of them.

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Nobody is losing their jobs unless Blizzard unfairly lays everyone off (which wouldn’t be a new thing, by the way).

The game is an immense success. Get some perspective.

A recent article from Esquire implicates that Joe Shely actually saved this game from being worse than it actually could have been, so I don’t think the game director is the problem, but rather the issues that were embedded long before his appointment.