So I’ve been thinking. When the primes or demons are killed they don’t meet oblivion, they simply go back to hell. For the primes it takes time to coalesce and be whole again. I think it works the same way for the lessers since we do see them again. Does that mean Lilith is now just some evil ether biding her time? Diablo was split in two by an angelic weapon once upon a time and even that didn’t destroy him.
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I definitely think Lilith will be back. She may not have corporal form, but she’ll be back for sure. Influencing in one way or another until she’s strong enough to take form again.
Although I could be completely out of touch. But from a gameplay perspective, outside of reality, I believe she’ll be brought back in some manner.
Honestly thats never explictly been said. We assume that to be the case due to seeing Mephisto. But D3 and the black soulstone really screwed the whole thing up. As Technically all three of the primes should be dead due to the destruction of the soulstones at the hell forge. So IMO the only ones who should be able to come back are Lilith and the lesser’s. Also would be fun if some how they added an xpac to send Inarius to hell so he could come back and maybe get some actual meat on his story.
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Yes, please. He’s too good to waste. Especially if they are going to avoid the Heavens route and only provide the illusion. Inarius could do so much more with his given storyline.
Champion, go to the Hellforge. There you must use the Forgesmith’s hammer to smash Mephisto’s soulstone and destroy him for good.
I think that was in D2 or something.
It was in D2 but than Metzen pulled a full Rian Johnson before Rian was a menace in D3 and mucked up the story
If the Prime Evils could be permanently killed by smashing their soulstones then why didn’t they just do that when they made the soulstones? Why did they decide to put the soulstones in dungeons instead of destroying them? Diablo 2’s story was stupid.
Smashing the soulstones was never meant to actually destroy them, just banish their essence back to their respective hells. It gets mucky with the black soulstone merging all of their essences into the true prime evil that the nephilim blasted in D3, and that’s sort of acknowledged off hand in D4 when mephisto tells you that Baal’s shades are in his pocket hell,but he welcomes their hatred.
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She should. Like one online commentator said, “softcore confirmed” when it comes to demonic figures.
Shahadem how do you figure, D2 story was great for what it was. And it makes perfect sense as the soulstones are chips from the world stone. Average Joes couldnt just roll up to hell to smash them they needed a badass ie us the player to smash them. And at the time we the player wernt around.
Yeah she should respawn
Only Diablo and Mephisto’s soulstones were destroyed at the Hellforge. Baal’s soulstone (along with his corpse) on the other hand was destroyed by the massive explosion of the Worldstone that took place when Tyrael destroyed the Worldstone with El’druin. As for how Diablo and Mephisto managed to escape the Black Abyss. That’s because of Adria’s actions. Before Diablo 3, Adria had marked Diablo and Mephisto’s essences (as well as Baal’s, Andariel, and Duriel’s essenes), which connected them to the black soulstone and had them absorbed within the stone, which supposedly bypassed the Hellforge’s negation effect.
As for the thread itself. Yes, Lilith, like all powerful demons is capable of reviving once slain in due time (except for Lucion, who was willed out of existence). So that also means that we’ll see Diablo, Baal, Andariel, Duriel, Azmodan, and Belial in due time as well since they were all slain without having their essences imprisoned (as far as we know thus far). The only great evil who won’t revive will be Mephisto since he was imprisoned in the soulstone, but due to the nature of the soulstones as well as the corrupting essence of the great evils, it’ll only be a matter of time before he is freed from his imprisonment.
Way i see it is that the Primes and Lessers are Perpetuals. They cant die, only be contained or “consumed” as Lilith was trying to do with Mephisto. On a long enough timeframe theyll regenerate back to full strength otherwise.
The Angiris Council also seem to be perpetuals, with i believe Malthael being regarded as the first one that wont be reformed by the Crystal Arch.
Lilith is a spawn of a Prime which likely puts her on level with the Lessers. However i dont think shes a perpetual. If i had to guess id say shes gone.
My question is why does it take so long for the angels to respawn? It seems like the Prime and lesser evils are always back right away? Do I have this wrong or do others agree?
The angiris Council (as well as other angels) are only perpetual in that their essence will be reused to create a new angel, who would serve as a replacement. Whenever an angel dies, they’re replaced a by new angel (unless they’ve been corrupted like Izual in which case they’ll respawn in Hell), who while may possessing similar essence, they’re essentially different or new individuals. Unlike the Great Evils (whose members have been killed and later revived), the Angiris Council had never lost a member until the events of Diablo 3 RoS, as such they were never replaced by a new angel. While angels normally are replaced upon their deaths, Tyrael’s the only angel thus far to have actually revived/reformed himself after his destruction, an event that’s unprecedented for angelkind.
Now as to whether Malthael or Inarius will be replaced by the Crystal Arch. It depends on whether or not they were too greatly corrupted before their demise. In the case of Malthael, his corruption could’ve taken place after he destroyed the Black Soulstone and absorbed the essences of all great evils into himself, however it’s unknown whether that was enough to truly corrupt his own essence as he was killed almost immediately after by the Diablo 3 Nephalem. In the case of Inarius, the way Lilith killed him as well as her words spoken to him implied that Lilith killed Inarius while corrupting him (or his essence) to ensure that he forever remains in Hell. Honestly it’s too soon to say imo.
But if they were corrupted, then yeah they have an angelic replacement, instead they’ll eventually revive in Hell as demonic creatures (like Izual). On the other hand, if they weren’t corrupted, then in due time, they’ll be replaced by the crystal arch (Malthael’s replacement may have already been formed), which is pretty ironic since Inarius’ replacement achieved the wish that Inarius could never have: Returning to the High Heavens.
Even if she’s a spawn of a Prime, she’s a demon, and thus possesses the ability to revive herself in due time like nearly every other powerful demons. It’s merely a question of when as well as whether she could do so safely. After all, by the time Lilith completes her revival, her uncles (Diablo and Baal) may already had revived and after her.
Sadly there doesn’t really seem to be a set time for a dead angel to be replaced. The most that we have regarding that is Tyrael’s own reformation, which took 20 years for him to complete, as well as Izual’s expected replacement (which never happened as Izual instead revived as a demon). The Archangel Itherael found it odd that Izual, who was killed during the events of Diablo 2 (some months before Tyrael’s own destruction at the end of D2 LoD), hadn’t yet been replaced by the events of Diablo 3 (20 years).
As such, based on that, it seems that an angel’s replacement should take about twenty years (give or take) to be born. Demons (or at least demons on par with the great evils) take about 30-50 years to revive themselves, with the prime evils seemingly taking a longer time to revive compared to the lesser evils. For example, Mephisto was still reforming himself during the events of Diablo 4, while Andariel and Duriel were already fully revived, despite all the great evils should seemingly have the same revival start time as they all were freed from the black soulstone at around the same time.
However, despite a demon’s seemingly slower revival time, they have the advantage of having their revival time starting instantaneously (so long as they weren’t sealed) from the moment they were slain (the crystal arch that revives angels only do so during a lightsong and even then the occurence is pretty rare), as well as no limit to how many demons can revive at a time (for example, the crystal arch doesn’t replace all dead angels at once, and instead may only replace just one angel at a time despite there being many more dead angels needing replacements), nor do they have to rely on an artifact (like the angels do with the Crystal Arch). So with all of those factors, it can certainly seem like demons revive much faster than angels.
Interesting theory about Inarius’ death, I think he may be permadead. Tyrael has now been restored to angel life twice, once after the worldstone, and once after D3 when he took malthael’s seat as wisdom after turning himself mortal by ripping off his wings. This leads me to think that Inarius is now truely no respawns dead, because lilith ripped off his wings while he was dying. And in the D3 cinematic, Tyrael converted and fell to sanctuary pretty much as soon as his wings were off.
Yeah, I don’t think we’ll see Inarius again either, at least not as the angel he was before.
Yes, she isn’t gone. I don’t know the timeline on them regenerating, it seems a very long time without help. Even Lorath says in the story though that you killing her isn’t preferable because she will be back.