Sorc take more effort to play and excelle at nothing

Why dos sorc sucks so mutch at bos killing and pvp?
barb and druid take zero skill to play in pvp all they do is spamming unstoppable and keep hitting you until they die.
Pve the same thing, brainles spam skills and spam attacks.
and they own everything, clear speed is super fast

On a ice shard sorc u need good gear all to way from lvl 40 + to 100 and play the right way or you die. Without gear they are slow need to wait all the time on skills or mana. Getting extra run speed is a luxury you need the other stats more.

Druid and barb just need some the gear drops and they are golden, and yes they are unplayable without then but they go from 0 to 100 very fasy. sorc dos not you really need the build them up gear piece by gear piece.

i got a barb friend he played true the hole game not even looking at his gear drops and still cleared the content easy very easy with zero 4 stat perfect gear pieces.

i need at least 3 out 4 good stats or my build dos not work.

As sorc you need to poison your self right and think before you use your CC’s and only then u can have a good time i fell like ice shard sorc needs to most effort to play and gets nothing in return except trash mob clear… no cc no dmg… bad position wast your cooldowns. good dmg windows are small ( cast meteor, teleport on the same place as you casted meteor to pull enemies and stay above 100 mana, cast frost nova, jump outside the mob group, cast barrier to get aspect buffs, Aim, then finally use frost shards and blow everything up) all of this with in 3 seconds and only then you are doing good dmg. doge all the mechanics in the mean time or you die. bad gear: no mana, no skills to use, no survivability. In nightmare this is specially true.

All the bosses in the game suck but if they didn’t sorc wouldn’t be able to kill them. only the story bosses pos some kind of challenge.

i wacht kripparrian D3 world first hc diablo kill video and he is stunning the end boss of D3… why the hell cant we even apply chill to a bos in D4?? the stagger bar is useless u kill all the bosses before they get staggered only on low low levels you get to staggered a bos one time in a fight… make the bosses hit harder and have more HP but u can cc them with diminishing returns it would make it much more tactical to kill a boss then the dps check it is right now…

And why can druid and barb stay unstoppable the hole time in pvp. and cc is Nerft 40 % why isn’t unstoppable ?? This is just stupid and makes pvp possible for only 2 classes. i can live with one shots in pvp if you play it right but making it impossible to get one shotted bye other class inst, not even for a small window

i had a good time playing sorc to lvl 100 but it took so much more effort then my friends playing other classes and still excellent at nothing… expect the ability to get out of CC’s
i love the style that you have to play sorc but they need buffs or cc changes in the game in pve and pvp.

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if you are familiar with the way Blizzard tunes its games, sorcerers are completely fine. The game is designed around 1-50 progress and the campaign, not NM100+ pushing. Up until NM dungeons, every sorcerer build is viable.

So what your saying is Sorcs are viable except in the entirety of endgame…?

Seems like we have a different definition of viable.

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Viable. Dos not mean good. All the other classes have one thing they are better in as other classes sorc haves zero. (The game is designed around 1-50 progress and the campaign) so 50% of the game dos not count as sorc ? so in the future no one will be playing sorc becoz the game is all in the end game when we played the campain 1-3 times.

Sorcerer has the best toolkit in the entire game for speedrunning so they can’t buff defensive or offensive skills without gutting utility first or all the streamers will play sorcerer and sorcerer only.

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WW barb is 2x faster than sorc. werewolf druid is 2x faster than sorc. i joined many groups to do dungeon runs to lvl and no sorc clears faster than them. even rogue is faster only necro is slower then sorc and they own bosses we dont.

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Sorcerer can skip entire segments of dungeons through clever use of teleport and has invulnerability frames on a short cooldown

Weird because I see dozens of ice sorcerers doing huge aoe damage seemingly infinitely

yea we are good at skipping stuff thats true. but are we better the ww barb juist cleaning the place out instad of skipping and doing as fast or even faster ? dont think so…

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I’m so over the “viable” argument.

Viable: capable of working successfully; feasible.

Yes, viable is the correct word. No, your attempts to redefine the word are not a suitable replacement for constructive criticism.

Most of the classes skills are NOT viable aka: capable of working successfully.

Success: the accomplishment of an aim or purpose.

The bulk of the classes skills are NOT capable of success in the end game content.

This gaslighting nonsense about what words mean in this country needs to end. Words already have pre existing definitions. Just because they don’t fit your desired narrative doesn’t give you the right to try and arbitrarily change them.

Read the dictionary.

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really every time you write it shows that you have no idea what the state of the sorcerer is like, if you don’t like the class and you prefer that they leave it in the state of garbage in which it is, that’s fine, but don’t justify the unjustifiable because it makes you look stupid.

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Is this some sort of joke?

Blizzard defined endgame as starting at level 50. WT3 is endgame. WT4 is endgame. Helltides are endgame. Nightmare dungeons are endgame.

Whatever your definition of what endgame is, is irrelevant. Blizzard defined it. That is what they designated as endgame and that is how they will progress with future development.

Most, if not all skills, are VIABLE in the endgame.

The word you are looking for is “competitive”. The Nightmare Tier is arbitrary. The ONLY reason you care about what Tier number you get to is because of OTHER classes, not because the tier number itself holds any real meaning.

Sorc is viable in endgame, but is not competitive in pushing nightmare tiers. Most skills in ALL classes are not competitive in pushing nightmare tiers either.