Some Feedback Regarding Making Alts

Finished leveling my first character to 100 a few days ago, got most of my glyphs to max level, have most of my BIS items upgraded to full. Decided to make a new character and see how it was. There are several problems when creating an ALT in this game I have noticed in only the first few minutes.

  1. You allow us to skip the campaign on our second character, but don’t allow us to view the entire map or use the waypoints we previously discovered. I have no idea what the thought process was behind this, it literally makes zero sense. I have to spend an hour riding my horse around the map on second character now so I can move around the map quicker?

  2. Glyphs in Diablo 4 should be treated the same way as Leg gems in Diablo 3. There is no reason that we should need to spend days re-farming and upgrading glyphs we already had on another character. It’s bad design. You should give players the freedom to play their ALTs the way they want to and not force them into this game mechanic.

There is probably more things I will notice as I progress my first alt, but here is some things I have noticed in only a few minutes.

10 Likes

It’s because the Renown system exists and exploration/waypoints are some of the objectives.

It’s stupid but, that’s the reason.

2 Likes

I strongly agree with you, that doesn’t make any sense.
Altars of Lillith, Waypoints, and world map, all simply reset with a new char in the same realm.
I accept it is between Soft Core and Hard Core, makes sense, but in the same realm?
Boring and repetitive…

1 Like

It was done to try and avoid infinite gold exploits of just making new characters, collecting the renown rewards, then deleting the character and repeating ad infinitum. The only way to avoid that would be make all the rewards once per account per realm.

Which I would be okay with, honestly.

2 Likes

Once the devs comeback from vacation, the interns can sit back and watch. For the most part I agree, it’s funny how a game that took this long to release and with the saying “going back to roots” only copy and pasted monster names from previous games. You can tell from D2 to D3 that this approach of turning Diablo into an mmo was in the works because WoW was out at that time. You can see a game that does not need cooldowns have a lot whereas other arpg that branched off from D3’s failed launch did it better. A lot of hardcore players migrated to games such as PoE to get that better experience. They did introduce adventure mode and as the seasons came they kept making the game slightly better and I must say if S28 was how the game was released back then I would’ve had more fun but that was after the entire team and management was changed.

There may be better QoL after S1 or an adventure mode because you’re right, being able to skip campaign is still useless, you just get the waypoints of the major cities and by major cities its because the next 2 expansions connect to those cities, already in the works? or already done and they just cut bits in pieces to make an xpansion. They’re trying to slow peoples progression as the game goes because they want people to play longer and stay in the mtx/shop longer. They already have a game like diablo immortals making them a ton so a game like this they’re trying to do the same.

Even vendor/npc/storage placement is stupid, sure you have a horse after Act 4 but still dumb, we look at D2 and D3 and everything is accessible right in front of you so you can do what the game was intended for which is dungeon grinding. They made this one like a GTA map and you have to go back and forth to get resources and doing multiple types of endgame stuff just to upgrade gear so in a way its forced.

Its funny how once you find a good viable build and they nerf it the next day now you’re stuck trying to redo your gear/skills/paragon system which cost a lot of resources which in turn you have to farm back for. So its an endless cycle for those just trying to play the game. Just wait till Season 1 maybe it’ll get better, maybe it’ll get worse. Maybe it’ll take S24-25 to make the game better like D3 was.

4 Likes

I really can’t see the point in that mechanic.
There are (for now) 5 classes in the game and even discovering the entire world map, waypoints and altars with my first char, will I have to do it again, and again and again, if I want to try other classes?
Nice ***** are doing with D4.
This mechanic working between HC and SC realms and in the seasons, I even understand and support, but in the normal game?
It just makes the game boring and repetitive to the extreme.
I started playing with Rogue, I really wanted to play with Necro and Barb now, but with this mechanic? No, thanks very much.

2 Likes

The renown system sucks anyways because it doesn’t carry over seasons either

2 Likes

Has this been confirmed yet?

Yes unless they change it. They need to. Renown should carry over in seasons. It’s terrible “content”. Just a giant chore to get 20 paragon.

Yup and thats why the game wiĺl not be as successful.in seasons. Cause u need to find the alters every season to get the renown.

I know i will play the 1st season get 1 charcter to 100 and geared then do the same in non season on the other classes. Then bye bye for a year or so. No way i will grind all this shil!t again game is not that fun

3 Likes

Having started an alt because my main became non functional without repair due to nerfs I agree. This game is not alt friendly at all.

All the renown stat points and the +10 skill points do almost nothing to “boost” your alt’s progress. This game is 100% gear dependent and no amount of skill points or stats is going to help.

Any legendary gear or aspects you saved on your main for an alt are also level capped on extraction. Got a level 75 ring with a crappy aspect roll you want to use on your alt? Nope level capped. Want to gear up early with some aspects to make leveling easier? Nope to that as well as you can’t imprint til level 25.

It’s just as much a slog leveling an alt as it was your main the first time.

1 Like

It would be better to cut off this renowned system.

1 Like

I thought alters of lillith didn’t reset?

They reset, the whole map with fog again and all the waypoints lost, as well as hours and hours to unlock everything lost.

That sucks. everything i look up and everything i was told said the alters didn’t reset…strange.

Very disappointing to hear this. Hopefully they change that, because I’m not unfogging that damn map 5+ times. One per mode (Eternal, HC, Season) I’d understand but every character…no thanks.

I agree. Also farming new uniques is a pain. I should be able to get full uniques on my alt without having to run dungeons. For that matter, I’m not really a fan of leveling. What does it add to the game really? Please just allow me to instantly create a new alt at level 100 with full uniques/aspects of my choosing. I’ve already beaten the game once after all, what is the point in forcing me to do it all over again? It’s bad design!!

He’s wrong… They dont reset, you keep the bonuses. They won’t show up on the map on the new character but you will have all the bonuses from the altars on every character on that realm.

2 Likes

I can’t imagine a slower way to make gold than the renown rewards.

Thought so. Was about to get angry lol.

You can imprint as soon as you receive your first aspect actually. Go run one of the starter dungeons and you can literally imprint at level 3