Has anyone tested builds/paragons? I haven’t seen a single rogue pvping.
Rogue in very bad spot right. There are some dual core phys damage build (basically keeps you constantly knocked down) that are interesting. Some TB with surprise aspect grenade build that carried over from S2.
HOWEVER, no Rogue build can currently kill a properly configured Selig build. Barbs can kill selig defense, Sorc can kill selig defense, but nothing in rogue can that I have seen.
Best to not use rogue for PvP right now. Sadly.
That’s just sad. I don’t know what a Selig build is (I haven’t played since S1) where I had no issues with PvP.
So…a few things to catch you up:
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S3 has a patch note about how affix +max life on items interacts with paragon boards. Basically it wasn’t included in the multplier base and now it is. That means max barb life has gone from 41k to 110k. Average life of barbs you enounter is easily 5-10k higher even if they didn’t do anything between seasons build wise.
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Selig build = using Melted Heart of Selig unique.
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Barb has many inherent ways to regenerate fury passive and actively. E.g. with challenging shout active they can gain 3 fury every time hit so it creates this loop where if you dont deal enough damage against a 100k life + fortify + ironskin barbarian you will never even get past the self generating mana shield.
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Because rogue DOT got nerfed in many major ways (at least 4), there is just not enough DOT to take down the high defense barb now. None mathmatically.
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The new DOT melee build is Barb Bleed. Not rogue poison.
Good luck out there!
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Thank you for the detailed explanation. That helps me understand why I couldn’t even do 5% to a barb. Very unfort for all rogue gamers.
I’d be surprised if you even did 5% vs literally 0%.
For reference, I took the standard NMD ‘immortal build’ with Selig to test in PvP. It did no damage against rogue PVP’ers, i.e. could not kill anything. However, it did live up to the advertisement. You COULD in fact go AFK, rogue could ceaselessly attack and at no point could you die.
If you managed shouts, you could literally manage no HP loss, not a single HP. If you went completely AFK on water and bathroom break you could get the low life barrier and never die.
Finally, FWIW I have seen the updated PvP builds from Asia gamer servers, they are very, very strong. They can survive and outlast the damage of the current Barbs for minutes…but…can’t kill them unless they don’t shout. 100k life plus fortify plus shouts and HP regen…you can do the math. Rogue doesn’t do enough damage currently.
Is there anything on youtube or alike in terms of pvp rogue builds that you saw from asian gamers, if you don’t mind sharing them ofc.
Regardless, it looks like if they can’t bring the needed DPS rogue is going to struggle against a good/geared opponent. Time to reroll.
I’m not aware of any public resource for rogue PvP that is current. I would gladly share if there were. I’m sure there are some plus on discord, but I simply am not aware of anything to point you to.
I will say many PvP’ers I know have re-rolled to another class for the time being.
The only thing of value I can share that is maybe not widely held knowledge (except for those already building PvP) is the Preparation/Skyhunter appracoh that PvE is starting to use has been the foundation of a lot of physical rogue CC since mid S2.
I’d start with making sure you can get constant CC ,then explore damage. And avoid thorns and selig barbs.
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