Request for next Campfire Chat

One, or preferably all, of the lead developers should try to take a reasonably well-geared sorcerer through a NM100 dungeon and then talk about their impressions.

Edit: as a bonus, they should try to beat Uber Lilith.

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“You need to understand that NM100 and Uber Lilith is not meant to be for every class and every build. Those are created for players to challenge themselves and meant to be very difficult.”
Do I sound like a Blizzard lead designer?

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And they should be forced to use our classes uniques without having any of the rare aspects. Let them see how fun it is to wait on cooldowns, mana regen and put up with situational damage. All while being one shotted.

Man I wish this class was like the sorceress in Diablo 2. At least with her I had manashield and insane mana regen.

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You can mimic a mana shield with the Melted Heart of Selig… which doesn’t drop.

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If they cut all sorc cooldowns in half it would feel fantastic to play

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They should take one thru a T55 first.
Then take any other class thru the same dungeon.

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I just want them to first address why vulnerable glyph doesn’t apply vulnerable on damaging enemies like it does for all the other classes (sans Necro).
I want to hear their reasoning why the weakest class SHOULDN’T be able to have access to something that stronger classes do.

They have never gave any explanation on this or have brought it up in any interview, camp fire talk or Q & A to my knowledge.

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Sorc has Frozen Orb, Ice Shards, Frost Nova and Ice Blades to apply vulnerability

Non ice builds are screwed though.
Not every one wants to be forced to play ice.

And other classes have multiple ways to apply vulnerable without the glyph as well.
AND they have the glyph as an extra.

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Ice Blades and/or Frozen Orb as an enchantment can be worked into pretty much any build, not to mention Frost Nova

But you lose build variety with only having 2 enchantment slots. And 1 of those enchantment slots is already taken up by fire bolt.
Yes you can play without it, or using ice skills in the enchantment even though you are a fire or lightning build, but you are nerfing yourself or are trying to jump thought hoops to get vulnerable into your build, when it should not be that complicated. Again, like other stronger classes don’t have to go though all this nonsense.

Other classes don’t have to sacrifice so much in order to get vulnerable into their build.

And I want an explanation as to why this is for the sorcerer. Why are they denied a feature other classes have.

There is no explanation you can give me, even to create these forced Frankenstein builds, just to accomplish something simple that shouldn’t be that complicated like other classes have access to.

Enchantment variety? Hello? NM100 you go firebolt and flame shield or it’s GG. No other options.

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Exactly my point.
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Instead of promoting build diversity, enchantments only serve as an excuse to make baseline abilities garbage

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Well for starters, The class was designed to work with three enchantment slots as there were in the beginning all up until the closed beta.
And for some reason one was taken away but the class was not redesigned to work with only two. And the enchantments with 3 , were way more powerful than what we ended up with as well.
So the limitations of only having two is apparent more and more everyday as the class was not originally designed to work that way.
Along with everything else that is wrong with this dumb class.
Resistances not working, you have to have a million conditions to do any significant damage, frozen, stunned, vulnerable, chilled, immobilized, etc.

And several other things.

This is another thing I want them to address.
Why the 3rd enchantment was taken away , and why we can’t have it back.

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I have slowly moved away from Vuln on my Conjurer Sorc because issues:

  • with proccing Vuln vs build diversity
  • future plans where Vuln becomes additive
  • previous nerfs on Vuln as well

Other dmg stats becomes more appealing once Vuln is no longer a necessity

I agree with you.
And I have tried many builds. It just feels like you are nerfing yourself for the sake of not using vulnerable. And in the end I always go back to vulnerable as it feels like the only thing that clears monsters a bit faster.

But yeah when they fix/nerf/adjust vulnerable, then this won’t be to much of an issue.

BUT I still want to know why the Sorc class is denied a feature that other classes have.
It’s the principle lol.
Did they feel the Sorc was too OP , so they denied the Vulnerable glyph to be like it is for the other classes? Even though the Sorc is the weakest class.

Their silence or just ignoring certain things annoy me to the end.

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It’s simple, the streamers made videos during the open beta of sorc melting level 25 dungeons with hydras and ice blades and Blizzard decided that the class needed to be gutted. Even now they don’t read the forums, they watch the “OMG! NEW SORC BUILD IS INSANE!” videos on YouTube of some streaming gimp clearing level 60 content with a build that wouldn’t be able to get to the first intermission on Uber Lilith. They have no idea about the issues that the class is having and there will be no fixes until one of the lead developers plays a sorc all the way to Uber Lilith and NM100.

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Yeah, why they did it is completely beyond me. Unless they’re completely incompetent, it’s not to bring down the power level of the class as most of the enchantments are either just utility or QoL and the one enchantment that actually increases your damage in a significant way gets used anyway.

They can triple the number of enchantment slots we currently have and it still wouldn’t cause a balance issue like what’s everyone going to use? Fire Bolt? People are using it anyway. Flame Shield? Good, the class desperately needs the defensive utility. Teleport? That’s mostly QoL and the rest would probably be something relating to the specific build the player is playing.

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Also, why are items like the Melted Heart of Selig, that would be useful only to Arc Lash sorc and allow it to do lowlife builds like what druids can do baseline, locked behind a 90 year long grind?

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