With the permanent flame shield nerf, and nerf to all of Sorc’s defensives (less Flame Shield armor, higher Teleport cooldown, less Ice Armor barrier), Sorc is easily shaping up to be the worst class of Season 5.
The class heavily lacks damage and deserves HEAVY buffs across all Core/Mastery skills.
Fireball is beyond useless, uniques are terrible, especially Staff of Endless Rage since now they are shifting CC damage from staffs do Damage over Time (LOL - since when does Fireball deal damage over time? ).
Ice shards are unplayable.
Frozen Orb is meh even with new Unique.
Meteor is unplayable.
Hydra is unplayable.
Incinerate is unplayable.
Chain Lightning looks cool, but we have to test if it is doing enough damage - something that all sorcerer skills lack.
With the huge defensive nerf for Sorc, Sorcerer needs a MASSIVE buff to most (if not all) skills. Giving 20% increased damage to Incinerate wont cut it. You should be aiming at 100-200% increase on skills like Fireball, Iceshards etc to even make them remotely viable compared to other classes.
Unless there are some godlike reworks to existing Uniques (Staff of Endless Rage, Starfall Coronet, Staff of Lam Essen etc), and some godlike new aspects to support sorcerer’s core and mastery skills, i do not see how these skills will ever be anything other than trash in season 5.
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play the ptr and then judge. you are guessing and could very easily be completely wrong
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Spot on. I’ve had max level sorcs every season. I also leveled a necro and a barb this season to max. Holy crap. Barbarian is so broken, it’s ridiculous. Even with the “buffs” sorcerer is getting, they might get to 25% of the power of the current barbarian… maybe. But then barb is getting buffs too. So yeah.
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Yup. Nobody guessed Bash until it was worked out that the Temper magically did (x) damage instead of (+) damage.
On the subject of Bash Temper - I bet it gets corrected to (+) damage, even if it’s not stated in the patch notes.
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Well i have read the full patch notes. There are no significant Sorcerer buffs. So damage won’t change.
But do you know what will change ? Survivability - since they nerfed every single defensive skill sorcerer had (except frost nova).
So unless there are undocumented hidden Sorcerer buffs, and we all know Sorcerer’s damage sucks now, there is really a good reason to be concerned.
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oh im sure that is getting fixed. bash is broken as heck
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I thought the Sorc would be my fav class like D1-3, such a disappointment.
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competing with necro for the worst class
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well i’m 99% sure that it will be trash, but maybe out of nowhere it could be mid trash not bottom-trash.
Bring sorc back, delete D3 wizard from the game. It’s not even sorc.
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Hidden Buffs? No. New Uniques and Legendaries? Yes.
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Isn’t that just terrible design? Making baseline class abilities garbage and then plaster-fixing classes damage and survivability with legendary aspects and uniques ?
The baseline class should be good, then you can build on it with new aspects and uniques, otherwise you will have all the same legendaries and aspects on every single build.
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So similar to what we have now with each build? You focus on the legendary aspects themselves which add to each skill. It’s how the game has worked since it started. I’m not saying it’s good or bad design, just how it’s always been.
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Sorc needs to have skills reworked, the fact you watch the campfire chat them using the FO sorc has teleport, ice armor, flame shield… just like 90-95% of the builds of sorc run those 3 defensive / utility
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Perma shield is a mistake… never should happens… its not a nerf but a fix…
My only complain is the Burning Instinct cap at 40%… this is a huge nerf…
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Crap D3-wizard design aka D4 sorc:
just a questions:
Can i play pure fire/light/cold sorc? w/o crap procs that needed for passives/glyphs and etc. Answer is NO.
Can i play w/o 2 barriers and CRAPPY DEFENSIVE LUL TELEPORT. Answer is no.
And etc etc.
This design is terrible.
Just compare lame D4 sorc with gigachad es/nova sorc from D2. Literally the best mage design that existed in ARPG.
All problems with sorcs in D4 - it’s not sorc it’s crappy designed wizards from D3. That’s basically all.
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Nah, now Aspects are spell specific and they are used only on builds that use those spells.
I’m thinking about adding “new” godlike aspects, like druid companion aspect that every druid had. Which will be terrible design.
The best chance Sorcs have to be good now is Vessel of Hatred.
There was never going to be some massive overhaul of Sorc abilities or legendary affixes in a season.
We all knew the permashield was getting destroyed. We all know Blizzard like to buff abilities with new legendary affixes and equipment. They said that way back in D3. We also know they want your class build to be equipment based.
Anyone hoping/expecting huge buffs to abilities was always going to be disappointed.
However, if anything is getting a complete overhaul or rework, it will happen in Vessel of Hatred. That is and always was Sorcs best chance to become even half as viable as Barbarian.
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I think the Barbarian will be the weakest class. All strong builds are based on bleed, and bleed will now be nerfed with this stupit “cap”. So that’s it for the barbarian. Again a fun killed…
ALL existing uniques are getting buffed when s5 launches.
The buff in stats may include tempering affixes if its applicable.