The current plan to make all rare items freely tradable basically means free trading with most best-in-slot items (only exception is for unique items), as legendary powers will be easily obtainable and transferable to those gg rolled rare items.
D2:R has been already killed by free ‘trading’. Items that you would have to farm for months can be easily obtained for a laughable amount of real money. Jah/Ber for like 1 dollar, even the gg rolled rares and crafted are obtainable for easily affordable sums by anyone with an average paid job. Playing the game outside of some PvP and SSF playthroughs, has became completely meaningless. Do not let this to also happen to D4.
My suggestion is to completely disallow person-to-person trading, as that is how real money or FG transactions are being made.
Instead, make an in-game auction house and only allow selling items here. Make gold and other resources very desirable and allow players to list their items for exchange of gold and other resources. Also drastically limit the active listings per account, for example max. of 5 active listings, that will make it very unconvenient for the RMT sellers.
When a player put his item to auction house, it will become visible to other players in a random time, for example between 1 to 60 minutes, to prevent the AH to be abused for real money trades. This way, such attempt will be very risky as if someone puts some valuable item there for a small sum to be buyed by the person who paid real money or FG for it, it is a very high probablility that the item will be bought by a random player browsing the AH. Other solution is to only allow buying by bids, with no buyout option.
Preventing buying gold and resources for real money would be harder, but for example there could be a report function to report suspicious listings - to buy gold for real money, someone will have to list a worthless item for unrealistically high amount of gold/resources. Players could flag such suspicious listings to be investigated by some AH admins. Given the random time in which the item becomes visible, there is a good probablility that someone will notice that listing before the RMT seller buys the item to give the buyer the gold he ordered on their website.
This should be enough to prevent most RMT transactions.
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Trading just needs to be severely restricted to curb it. Like you can only trade items within a group in a dungeon, and only rares and below.
Legendaries and upwards should be untradable.
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Yeah I forgot to add the person-to-person trading can still stay in the form as it is in D3, but other tradings only possible through the proposed auction house where it can be controlled to prevent most RMT.
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There is no proposed AH, just a dream of some players.
D2JSP is already thrilled by the idea of trading high value rares. I am sure it will still be a thing sadly.
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Yellows will be sold on RMT sites until Blizzard gets sick of it then will shutdown almost all trading like in D3.
Basically can trade within group that found it for a limited time.
I don’t know why they are even launching with trade, do they think people got less sleazy in the last decade?
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At least we have a nice in-between where you can’t trade ‘every’ items which makes D2JSP shills like Cooley cry profusely.
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I support a complete removal of any and all trading.
Trading always necessitates an overall reduction in drop rate of loot through monster-killing, regardless of whether the trading is player-to-player or through an intermediary like an auction house.
That is because trading causes circulation of loot among the playerbase, and just like in real life economics, inflation occurs due to overabundance and ease of acquisition, leading to loot losing its value, and the drop rate therefore has to be reduced to increase the value of loot by making them more difficult to acquire.
This then necessitates the reset of the economy through use of the Seasons concept.
This is why every isometric ARPG with a trading economy, like Diablo 2, Path of Exile and now Diablo 4 as well, has Seasons. The true purpose of Seasons is to fix rampant inflation.
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but but but but…the trade mongers keep telling me it won’t effect me if I don’t do it.
(already knew what you said)
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I would personally also prefer to have no trade at all. But the devs stated that there will be no SSF mode.
They also talked with a philosophy that the best items will not be tradeable. But trading rares pretty contradicts that philosophy. So I’m trying to come up with some middle ground, which is the strictly regulated AH trading. The current direction with freely tradable rares is almost like completely free trading. That looks pretty bad for the future of the game.
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Diablo 3 had it right. tradable magic/rares at any time /// legendaries with your current party members.
No exploit.
Diablo4 rares are still a grey area, but they have to please the D2 fanatics, so we’ll see… ¯_(ツ)_/¯
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I hope there’s no AH at all. No trading. Just people playing the game.
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Please explain how free trading killed the game.
Game is being played over 20years and has free trading whole time.
Terrible idea, we dont need another d3 where trsfing doesnt exist.
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amen.
letting ppl with 20 years worth of buyable currency that has no sink rule the market in a brand new fresh game sounds like a terrible idea heh
let em fester in d2r instead of here 
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i actually dont care and dont even know what JPS RMT is …
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Not free open trading.
No you actualy didnt. It was just bunch of complaining about item selling sites and jsp which mostly exists because diablo 2 doesnt have any good place where to post offers in game so many peopoe can see it.
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Regardless of your solutions, there are likely 10 more alternatives that will spring up. With your proposal, you’re punishing players even if it’s for the greater good.
If everything you mentioned was implemented, then, you would just have afk farms and power leveling services to get you what you need. OR players would turn to botting, instead of paying the bots.
Without seeing the game in its fullest state, it’s hard for us as users to theorize about security implementations for something we don’t know about.
Im all for the d3 system, finding someone who would buy something in that game would be like finding a a unicorn riding a dragon chasing a treasure goblin in real life.
If leveling and gearing up aren’t stupidly impossible, and things like runes that take months of RNG to obtain are easier to obtain, progress isn’t impossible with RNG being way too high, and we have a more generous system of loot like in D3, then that alone will be enough to deter RMT from the game. If a player can farm in a reasonable amount of time, you will eliminate the need for RMT, exactly like what D3 is. Intially, they will be all over the game at the start, but if it goes like D3, there will be no reasons ever to buy something in the game.
Besides gold, lots and lots of gold, to have free will over your skill tree to change as you like, if that go old testment and make it impossilbe to refund skill point in the endgame, then they are just inviting gold bots
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You said it would be the same as in D3. That is not true. You would still be able to freely trade away the valuable items you don’t need to use.
If D2 had its own interface for completely unrestricted trading, it would not change the fact that anyone can buy stuff for real money. In fact, it would be even more comfortable for the players to do so.
Trading in general causes high inflation of items that only gets worse over time. It will always sooner or later result into the items you find yourself lose most-to-all of their value. People make business by running tons of bots and sell the botted stuff to others, creating the inflation. If they would not be able to sell the items to anyone, all the items would stay at their accounts, not causing a general inflation.
Yea, I am complaining about RMT/p2w. What a strange person I am…
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Bzzzt wrong d2jsp exists as a psuedo 2 step rmt site and as other have stated a way to store,or buy, virtual wealth that can be used at the start of a season as virtual pay to win, and it started as a bot site. The sooner it dies from nothing to trade, or from legal or deplatforming actions from facilitating copyright infringement the better.
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