Patch + latest Nvidia Drivers 2fps * SOLUTION

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So is it a driver issue? a d4 patch issue, or the combo of both?

Should add:

AMD Ryzen 7 5800X 8-Core Processor 3.80 GHz
32.0 GB RAM
MSI 3070ti OC (not oc’d though)
Playing on a 32" 4K (tried with medium setting 1920x1080 tex’s = same)

CPU Usage: 20-23% roughly
Ram Usage: 64% with 2 browser tabs, task manager, and various BG processes

GPU: at 4k tex, spikes from 92% to 100%

Adjusted to medium tex, and sharpen from 30 to 0. pretty much all other settings max except for fog (M), Water(M)

-Restart app

0-1 FPS

-Trying Full PC reboot = No Change (with out even starting a game)

-PC running Bnet client, -Afterburner, paint for Screen caps, and Chrome this tab only. GPU usage 0 to 5 % if that.

As soon as I start D4, just sitting in the menu at medium settings, 93-100% usage.

This has changed since latest Nvidia Driver update ver: 31.0.15.5123 , but did not test before the patch hit (yeah I work), so started up after work today, patch, Bang Problem?

Update: Working with Nvidia chat support to try and rollback the driver to see if it helps. could be a bit for results.

Edit2: Poor sot had to sift through 12M of MSinfo.nfo. Previous STUDIO driver version-Pre-patch Can be found at the link nvidia Provided which can’t be displayed here, (which I had no problems with) was going to be provided, but meh, Let Bliz get it and share it with you all. going to D/L - Un/Re-install and test it out.

I can tell you it is: https://www.nvidia.com/Download/driverResults.aspx/218115/en-us/
(Thanks to DTMace for link entry example)

Version: 546.65 WHQL
Release Date: 2024.1.17
Operating System: Windows 10 64-bit, Windows 11
Language: English (US)
File Size: 669.33 MB

EDIT 3 - RESULTS

I rolled back to the previous Driver version.

GPU Usage is around 60-65% ingame standing around, 60 FPS@ HD Quality.

Solution: REVERT TO PREVIOUS NVIDIA DRIVERS

Determinable cause:

a) When Bliz made their patch/update, they based it on the old driver version, Something has changed with the new one that they did not account for which is causing problems.

b) Nvidia screwed up their latest driver as it relates to D4.

Edit 4: Lol it’s so empty here since I can play and no one else can.

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Lags, crashing, and many more
Rubber banding and Lag on Console
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And people think I’m nuts because I’m running on driver 535.98 from May 30th…

I wonder why my system works fine… hmmmm :stuck_out_tongue:

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Wonder where I should send the bill for diagnosis of the problem, and work-around solution?

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BTW.

I have a similar card myself.

MSI 3070 Ti Gaming X Trio

Running 1440p @100FPS at full Ultra. Smooth as butter.

But going to see if upgrading to a 4080 Super will be a headache or not soon. Ordering one next week.

Let me know if they pay. I think they owe me for a few months of work in here. lol

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Yeah I can’t do the 4k quality on my 32". I have 3 monitors, and other BG stuff, it starts to slug an crash, just not enough memory. Looking at upgrading to a ti Super in a few months. It will boost my 3D render times, and fix it. it’s just if I want to spend $1200US or $1700US

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Just an FYI.

4070 Ti Super is a cut down 4080. So 200 more and you get a 4080 Super.

I was wrestling with this myself not long ago. Figured, may as well spring for the 4080 super, so I have the best version of the card, not the worst version.

But, a 4070 Ti Super is STILL a 4080 card. Just has less enabled on it.

Whereas the 4070 and 4070 Super and 4070 Ti are based on a different chip and board layout. Less memory, etc.

Whut?

The 4070 Ti Super is 800 ish. The 4080 Super launches at 1000 ish. (depending on manufacturers for the “ish” part)

https://www.newegg.com/msi-geforce-rtx-4070-ti-super-rtx-4070-ti-super-16g-ventus-2x-oc/p/N82E16814137857?Item=N82E16814137857

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Could be, but I found that it out-performed the 4080.

Yes that’s what I’m stuggling with 4070ti super or 4080 super ti-super(?)

My primary goal is the cuda cores for 3d rendering in iRay.

Yeah, ti or I’m not spending the money. Memory is my biggest drawback in 3d Renders. working with 8G, 12-16G would be a huge improvement, and with more cuda cores, time it takes improves alot.

Yeah, I’m not 100% sure as I just started researching them, but it looks like I’m in the neighbourhood of 1k for the mem and cuda cores. The next ti super up bumps me to the 1500-1800 range. As a Canadian, add 30% and that’s what comes from my pay cheque (not pay check :smile: )

I’m partial to Asus TUF versions.

Yeah… I’m kinda adverse to them, seems hit and miss what you might get from them. Also, I prefer to use the debit my cash and walk out same hour with the card, installed, up and running in a couple of hours. I can succumb to Amazon delays. So I pay a premium for that.

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Not possible.

The 4080 has more cuda and higher power limits. Not sure where you got that info.

Its just 4080 Super. They aren’t making any Ti versions at all.

Then 4080 Super.

Then the only Ti in the lineup is the 4070 Ti Super. That is the best Ti offered for the 40xx series.

Again, 4080 Super. At 1K US. As a Canadian, that means 1300, if you are accurate about 30 percent. Plus what, 14% in tax? So in total, about $1500 CAN tops.

If you are partial to brick and mortar stores, hit Future Shop there in Canada. I think they will price match, might help you save some. But you need to hit them at launch. Once the stock dries up, prices are going to go up most likely.

Well add money to that estimate then. Like 100-200.

Hit or miss how? I have been buying from them for over 2 decades. Less the last few years with Amazon in the mix. When building systems I get parts from both, whomever has the better deal.

I like the search tools a LOT better on NewEgg than Amazon, but you still will have a chance of an issue with either, shipping delays, etc.

But good luck!

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Yeah I was researching on a whim, and was not paying attention much to the graph keys… I’m most likely wrong.

Agreed after a quick look, 2k roughly, that’s a lot in 3d render time.

Thanks. At least I know what I’ll be comparing in the next couple of months :smile:

Agreed.

Mainly supply. When I’m looking for something, 9x/10 they don’t have it, and the ones they do, seem to be used/2nd hand. very discouraging. So I gravitated to Amazon, as I feel I can parse that out quickly, and usually there is at least one or two available.

I still prefer the cash in hand method, for same day installation. I am usually willing to pay up to $100 more for something like a vid card just to have it same day. Yes, Brand logo cost suck. But I prefer to use OC or TUF grade stuff so that I know, even though I’m not going to OC it, it can handle pretty much anything I throw at it with out it baking into a charred marshmallow.

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You do know that a card shipped as OC is actually an overclocked normal card right? Typically not a very large OC, in the case of the 4070 Ti Supers, the OC is like 20MHz faster or some such non-sense.

Here’s my problem with the structure as it sits:

Right now, the 4070 Super and 4070 Ti Super’s are available at launch prices. Once this 4080 Super launches next week (31st) those will probably sell out fast compared to the first two. Then, good luck finding them at the launch prices afterwards.

I hate how the scalpers buy out the cards in huge numbers then flip them on ebay for nearly twice the price sometimes. They even tried it with the 4070 Super, only that one burned their butts, when they realized no one was going to get those, when the 4080 Supers were coming in 2 weeks… And cost less than what they were trying to get.

But I’m betting the first cards to sell out will be the 4080 Supers. They will go quick. After all they are priced 200 dollars less than what the regular 4080s were… :open_mouth:

So yeah, I’m buying mine next week soon as it shows up. Going to try for a founders edition direct from nvidia, but if I don’t get it there, will get an MSI one at Egg. The 4070 Super Founder’s editions from Nvidia were gone in less than an hour.

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Yes, but as you say it’s not a lot. My main interest is that the cards are usually designed (heat sinks, component tolerances, etc, can handle a bit more. So, if I run it vanilla, I should be safe for the most part. Not have to worry about Daz3d, D4, 5 browser tabs, iTunes, across three monitors, Heck even Hearthstone, at the same time even all at the same time.

Yeah. There are so many ways that Nvidia could detect and prevent scalpers, especially with AI… IP, CC over time etc. At the end of the day, they don’t really care who buys the cards so long as they are being bought.

If I could, I would buy one sooner rather than later, but just not feasible for me. March - May is my expected purchase date. If the card I decide I want is not available, then I wait. No way in hell I would feed scalpers. Never done it, never will. I either wait 6-12 months and get a discount, or get lucky and get into the next gen.

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Have to agree. I haven’t either.

My current card I bought on ebay at a really good price though last May. Less than 400 US for the MSI 3070 Ti Gaming X Trio, and it came complete with the box, the bracket, and look nearly new for a used card. Was a good deal, been happy with it.

This round, it will either be a 4080 Super FE from Nvidia, or an MSI 4080 Super Gaming X Trio again.

Solid cards.

Already bought a case adapter kit to flip the GPU vertical so the 3 slot beast won’t strain the slot. Current card came with a support bracket, been fine.

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Get a FE. My 4090 FE doesn’t sag a bit.
I can literally try to move it with my fingers and it won’t budge at all.
Never had a card like this.
I really wonder why 3rd party models don’t use the same layout, guess it’s too expensive?
Then on the other hand, there are way more expensive custom models then the FE.

Also the FE stays really cool. It’s in the low 60s at full load (fans at 30% which is the lowest “on” mode, below is just 0% off).
Most of the time barely 50° Celsius since i cap at 144hz and also set a 70% power limit in Afterburner.
Goes to around 350W max in Cyberpunk with PT for example.

PS: don’t use a cablemod 90° adapter and get a 600W cable for your PSU if possible
I got one for my Corsair 750 HX.

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I’m going to try to get an FE first. But they may sell out in minutes.

But that’s okay.

The PSU is heavy enough, Corsair AX1200i Plat. But no direct 600W port, I will have to use 3 of the PCIe 8 pin plugs. Have plenty of those on it though. But with the GPU vertical it should be fine.

Cooler Master HAF Full ATX 925? case. Big damn case. I ripped out the front lower 7 drive bay, as I didn’t need that anymore to allow more air flow. It has almost a cubic foot of space in the front lower area alone.

https://1drv.ms/f/s!AjIesNsEIx40gYFp7ZV2ojVv6GeZjA?e=dyr5zJ

Picked up the Cooler Master kit for these style of cases, its a direct install to flip the GPU.

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This model is from 2012 right? It has only Type 3 connectors, so no 600W Corsair cable which needs Type 4 :frowning:

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My 4090 Strix isn’t sagging either. This is on a motherboard the predates the “armored” PCIe slots too. Proper slotting and making sure those screws are tight such that the card won’t sag are essential. Once I’m physically able to swap to the 9900k board I have sitting in wait (bad backs can really set you back and then some), I have a HerculX bracket to hold up the card. Came with the card so why not. I’ll be making sure to unplug the HerculX once I get it dialed in though, as I don’t want its RGB sucking power from the 4090’s power allotment since total board power includes RGB + fans, not just GPU + VRMs.

Their 90/180 degree standalone adapters were recalled and aren’t being sold anywhere legitimately. Their 90 degree cable is not recalled and has no issues as it lacks the points of failure that the smaller standalone adapters have.

Corsair has a 2x PCIe 8-pin to 12VHPWR cable. It will handle your needs and give you less stiffness than the adapter provided with the GPU.

Good luck with that. I have the v3.0 kit and…it didn’t work. Not in didn’t work in powering the GPU or anything, it physically was not compatible thanks to the super stiff sleeving used for the riser cable. No matter what I did I couldn’t get it to line up with the motherboard slot and had to mount my GPU horizontally.

This is the one I have: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0B7NY5TSY

Oh, and expect the GPU to sag outward slightly with that kit. The FE might just be under the weight that would cause it, but my 4090 Strix easily leaned slightly. Better tolerances and a different riser cable would help massively.

Type 3 and Type 4 PCIe connectors are identical. Only the MB (20+4) connector is different. Here’s the chart you need to look at and see their notice at the top:

https://www.corsair.com/us/en/s/legacy-psu-cable-compatibility

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You need to check once in a while since sagging occurs over time.
Just to be sure :slight_smile:

You mean the slot protection? That has nothing to do with GPU sag.
The slot is not the problem.

You can srew as tight as you want but that doesn’t change the fact that sagging occurs at the other end of the card due to the weight :smiley:

The FE has something like an 8 shaped “cage” over the whole card which gives it it’s stability.
You can see what i mean in this stripdown here:

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/nvidia-geforce-rtx-4090-founders-edition/3.html

I heard that but be honest, wouldn’t you have a bad feeling using it with a 2000€ GPU?
I know i would.

Yeah seems like it, but why would they say otherwise on the product page? Just stupid marketing?

https://www.corsair.com/de/en/p/pc-components-accessories/cp-8920331/premium-individually-sleeved-12-4pin-pcie-gen-5-12vhpwr-600w-cable-type-4-black-cp-8920331

At the bottom of the page it says “Guaranteed for use with all Type 4 CORSAIR PSUs.” :melting_face:

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Shouldn’t be a problem at all. Considering the 4080 is not a 4090 anyway. It only needs 3x 8pin PCIe, not 4x like the 4090 which is 600W.

As Tias pointed out.

I may look for that then.

This one looks a bit different than yours:

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0B72D88KL?psc=1&ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_product_details

I take that back. The one you linked is the bare frame with no cables, and it looks like the 4.0 version, but I looked up the 3.0 version and yeah, big difference. Yikes.

This I do agree with. Fortunately, the 3070 Ti that I’m using had an additional 3 slot “arm” bracket that sticks out under the GPU and lets it sit against it. A lever if you will. Seems to work fine, but even though my alternate GPU choice also comes with with one, I will still probably swap to a vertical setup instead.

More than likely. I mean 12V is 12V. As long as you can carry up to the required amperage, you are good. Standard 12v 8pins are rated for up to 150W each, but they can easily handle 200W if needed. And the 3080 card is going to top out around 400-450W or so. Its not a 4090 with a potential of breaking 600W.

The only key difference I can think of is that extra small pin cable for data collection for the main cables. That might cause a problem if it thinks things aren’t right, because the PSU is older than the tech behind that. Though I believe they just monitor the connections to make sure you have the required 12v at each plug in.

Anyway, not too worried yet.

Edit. Bit of math behind the wiring:

Right now, the way the cables are setup, you have 4 pairs (8 wires) in each 12V PCIe cable. Those are rated for 150W. That means at 12V and max load, each cable is carrying 12.5 Amps. But each pair, is only carrying about 3.125 Amps, if all connections are equal and nothing has a bad connection.

So at full load, across all 3 cables, you would see a draw of nearly 40 Amps at 12 V. That’s enough to start your car… lol

The reason some of these connectors on the higher power cards were failing and burning up, is because those loads weren’t being transferred equally, and were putting more than 3 Amps through what was connected good. They then heat up and start to melt the plastic, as they are then trying to carry 6 Amps, or more. And the fact they reduced the size of the pins, the sockets and everything to make it “smaller” only exacerbated the problem.

Essentially instead of using 2 big cables to carry the load, we are trying to use a lot of little cables in parallel to carry the load. But they all have to carry it equally, or you will burn something up. Simple as that.

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Well the FE is limited to 450W but that wasn’t my point.
My point was that one 600W cable is better than 3 or 4 cables via adapter :smiley:

I actually ordered a GPU support for 10€ but didn’t need to use it.

Sure but i expected the Type 3 to have a different connector than a Type 4… at least that would make sense :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:

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That would force people that already have a high quality expensive PSU to then have to replace it needlessly.

Which while not outside the realm of something a manufacturer would pull, they would certainly get a stink over it.

Nothing really “better” about it. Just a different way to wire it. Both are the same otherwise, and carry the same load. All you are doing is lowering the connection points.

Instead of having 3 junctions of failure, you lower it to two junctions; One at the PSU and one at the card.

Think about those people that have the PSU PCIe cables, the adaper, then a right angle… That’s 5 junctions where any of them could have a weak connection and cause issues.

So yeah, a single point to point cable will be better for reliability than multi point, but as long as the connections are good and tight, they will be fine.