Probably a dumb question but…as a HOTA Barb if trying to maximize Overpower damage and procs does it make sense to use the Dominate aspect (big boost to OP damage and guaranteed OP every 30 secs), Bonebreaker (guaranteed OP every 12 secs) and the glyph that guarantees an OP every 8 weapon swaps + non-basic skill for maximum OP proc chance and damage?
Feel like using all 3 is redundant but want to keep OP chances and damage at a max. For low level stuff I am not seeing the downside. Thoughts?
Don’t forget “bash” basic, it can cause overpowers very often.
I have none of those and trash mobs still die in… if not 1 hit, like 3 hits… but more often then not, a single hit. T90+ NMV elites only have like a little less then a million HPs. So always hitting things for 30, 60, 300 Million damage, though fun, is very overkill… There are bosses though… but they have far less then the trillions of damage some characters can do. it’s all overkill.
I’m running with a whirlwind hota build. With enough fury generation and the addition of fury on weapon swaps both in the skill tree and the legendary node you can basically keep your fury max while spinning and smashing HOTA.
You generate enough weapon swaps to trigger earthstriker overpower every couple seconds. And if you have banished lords talisman neck you’ll spend 300 fury to trigger that one every few seconds as well which leads to a crap ton of overpowers over and over again. I’d still keep the overpower glyph for 2 reasons one it gives 300+ extra overpower if you put it in the right spot on the board. If you’re standing around waiting for a boss, like duriel or a world boss that 30 seconds overpower will proc so your first hit will overpower.
You don’t really need the every 12 seconds node with that setup. But again the tricky part is getting your fury generation otherwise you just sputter out.
I also added charge this season for obvious reasons but with tibaults will pants from duriel the unstoppable from charge also gives you 50 fury with your generation bonus it basically fills your fury. With marshal your shouts reduce the cool down on charge to the point it’s always up. This way you don’t need a basic skill to generate fury. Just charge, spin, smash, spin, smash, charge, spin, smash all day long.
HOTA + Selig amulet here. Fury always full and insane damages.
To clarify, I usually run HOTA with a Walking Arsenal and Iron Maelstrom setup, so constant weapon swap. Overpowers happen all the time but not sure if boosted or extra OP’s are worth using the 3 options I currently have to trigger them more often. Feel like just one would do the trick, like the glyph only?
I use dominate with HOTA.
I think my OP is like 2700% ish. With a 33% chance. Literally every third hit is an OP.
Do i need that much? No.
Is it fun to watch bonk get big number? Yep.
You need those 3 overpower source and need to add banished amulet for a 4th source of overpower.
There is no way around this for max overpower procs and trigger that sweet 2800% overpower damage.
Best HoTA damage i have seen so far in s3 is:
5 219 516 416
Dumb question since I never played barb: if you spent 300 mana+switched 8 times+idle for 30sec+ => you have theoretically cumulated 3 or 4 guaranteed overpower (from talisman+earthstriker+bone breaker+dominate). Now, you hota an enemy, juste once. Does it consume all your 4 overpowered stacks? Or does it eat the bonus one by one, blow after blow?
Yes.
The reason you want more guaranteed Overpower is that they usually don’t line up. I find Bonebreaker to be the weakest and dropped it after getting Banished Lord’s because it triggers on any skill, including your Generator or Charge.
You can save yourself 10-20 Paragon by skipping it and potentially getting something else.
A lot of them have to changed to expire if not used within 5 seconds so it’s far less likely to happen now. You’d really need to get you timing perfect for them all to line up.
Ok so i will share what i have done after i log in and look. But bonebreaker and dominate is a choice, not point running both they over lap and bonebreaker will reset ever 12s and Dominate will hardly need or have a chance to proc, if you follow your icons bar you can see, you overpower ever 12s so 30s doesnot get a change to come online since you are procing evey 12s and it has to be 30s without overpowering.
So you are wasteing doninate unless you want the OP dmg, but you could be getting that from gems or something else and adding another X or something more useful in that place.
Bonebreaker is really powerful hence its a Leg node. Now if you actually want to proc more overpower between 12 second you at things like UH, for example can work, as if built off timer with bonebreaker you can get a little rotation there with a BB proc and Upheal Proc, probable a WS prc in the span of 12 and then you are back, see dominate gets no proc because you are OP every 12s and less, Only Out of combat but it will proc dominate and Bone breaker at the same time most likely and you wont see Dominate again until the fight is over or more than 30s break, at high level that is death or over kiting which you shouldn’t need to do really.
So for those reasons i tend to pick one or the other. If you have a 30s window with dominate you have more time to put other procs inside. if its 12s BB less so the rotation is faster, and can layer something else into the build instead.
Hope that helps and makes sense. I will list my OP gear below in a Edit for my rotation.
So to keep it simple if you are BB procing, even on a opener, its too fast to tell you may get two procs of OP, but after that nothing if you are overpowering every 12s. Which with BB you are. I find i one shot just fine with a BB opener so you know its not needed even if you did get a double. But i think it procs once and removes dominate since you already OP and dominate is every 30s if you dont OP.That said you may want the OP DMG , just keep inmind you are not getting more procs.
In terms of set and forget playstyle i mean you can do that once its going, but its always stronger to play when you take advantage of all those little Timers and such. So timing can make or break some fights tbh.
EDIT
So Bansidhed lord talisman is better than dominate for procing, as you can spend 300 resource, get the proc, UH get the proc and BB get the proc, that is what i had running, dominate does not add to proc, as i am procing 3 times every 12s on a perfect rotation, and even off rotation its once every 12s min or ever 300 resource whatever point is 30s does no pass with no procs. Remember its after NOT overpowering. ITs not like BB and guaranteed every 30s .
So to keep it very simple the Window Bascially comes down to a choice BB or Dominate.
and what you fit inbewteen those windows of a guaranteed proc. So Dominate has the Add OP dmg but its actually bad for OP procs, since you have to no OP to get that effect.
So yeah not sure what builds that is good for maybe a finisher type every 30s or as a %add to OP idk
so for exmple rather than take Dominate and yes i will take a lowe OP number…
But i could add a Xmutiplier for two handers with might and gain bonus magic node so in the right slot i regain that loss of OP dmg on glph and get it from boosted magic nodes and i get a 8% X with my two handers.
BB is not the weakest , and its not about lining them up, they are used based on there condition, the dominate glyph will not appear during combat if you are BB every 12s, at best a opener. But i am sure it overrides it, it dissapears not because you OP but because you OP and the conditional is no longer valid, which was NOT OP for 30s.
So you see a easy combo is HOTA WITH VHOTA Node, this means every 12s you get 30 x dmg. after a hota strike, eating too many OP procs can have a negative effect I ran this problem trying to use two core skills and getting Procs on both UH and hota, not impossible, but my timing had to be perfect otherwise BB would eat my UH attack and not my HOTA. But using Bansied lord was the mitigation point, to have my cake and eat it too, as it gave me a buffer, i missed with BB HOTA and did a BB UH thats okay i eat resource withing 12s with hota spam and get that proc before BB resets,
Now the one issue i was having here was is my resouces managment wasnt;t spot on i would not proc Banished lord before BB reset.
So you need to look at the conditions, the timing being met, stacking blindly is a means to a end, just because the symbol is eaten doesn’t mean it was used correctly or efficiently. this is where skill and depth opens up .
This is a big conversation we should be having versus making braindead D4 bad memes.
I find it really interesting and cool tbh. There is mechanically overlap and choices to be made other than stacking and proc proc proc, and it doenst really allow that to happen at a certain point.
No it doesn’t dude… It eats each overpower buff in order that you obtained them one at a time… The worst overpower to eat is the one activated through time… It’s weak… The best one to eat over all of your overpower buffs is the Earthstriker at 100x…
Correct it has the best and biggest X damage. Op wants to proc as much as possible so that might be why. idk.
But yeah you can put together BB VHOTA = 30X EVERY 12S, WITH A 100X rotation inbetween with weaponswaps, and landing that trigger with a UH core. Skill to OP.
That is what i ran for a bit even minus the VHOTA its really good. As i got my "30%x " from earthquakes instead, with 100,000 steps procs and such. many ways to shape it.
Just need to hit those Big X % ones for sure.
So in that exmaple i would consider Dominate over BB to open up that window if i found 12s too sweaty, and need more time to set up my extra procs before earthstiker.
Which i think eats the FUH Proc nicely also so you can get a double on that one. Weaponswap build up UP and then earthsrtike, not even needing BB or Dominate. so yeah it depends what and why you want to proc more i think for Hota UH you dont.
I think for gushing wounds in my build so far i do, and BB becomes way more useful as i want to gush them as hard and often as possible for the Bleed dmg.
FUH is furious Upheaval.
I disagree though on when it eats them BB will proc every 12s regardless of banished lord being used first or whatever. It procs the moment the conditions are met. Hence there is skill and timing that can be had and shaped with all of those mechanics.
But that is down to player choice and how many layers, too much can be overlapping and in the case of dominate actually negates its effectiveness.
Well… you’d be wrong twice, then.
I had this same argument in another thread and proved it does indeed eat more than one Overpower buff. Test for yourself on a combat dummy. It does similar on my Druid.
https://imgur.com/Lj8tE5I
https://imgur.com/GazQChB
First screenshot showing Earthstriker’s at 7 (first buff) and Bonebreaker (second buff) at 7 seconds.
Second screenshot showing both being consumed simultaneously.
Banished Lord’s behaves differently (I’m not sure why), but once you get Banished Lord’s, dropping Bone Breaker makes more sense considering Bone Breaker can be consumed on a non-preferred skill such as Charge or Basic Attack.
Yeah but Bonebreaker doesn’t give damage bonus… This is concerning Banished Lords, and Earthstriker… Those are the only ones that matter. Bonebreaker board is garbage
Then actually read my entire post before spouting off.
I replied to the question “does it consume all 4 of your Overpower stacks”, and other than Banished Lord’s, the answer is yes. Which is why I suggested that once you obtain Banished Lord’s, dropping Bone Breaker is usually better (at least for typical HoTA). All of that is right there in my post.
Yes a guaranteed OP every 12s is garbage…
I mean it supports some powerful choices while i wait for Banished to eat 300 resource to proc…just because you can build without it doesn’t mean its garbage, it means your build does not need its support , but others will.
I prefer both as i get the 12s proc and the resource spender proc. creating a rotation adn player skill to use it on the right skill. How is that bad? lol
You could drop BB but if usin VHOTA why would you , it keeps that 30x up, 12s proc resouce proc, rotation. add or use Earthriker instead sure, but having a 12s proc is usually still handy if not sure ditch it lol, i find for FUH i want that to OP, WS proc hota kill resource proc hota , BB helps crete a rotation if it is wanted or needed extending OP procs for whatever benefits. Even just bonus damage.
The funniest thing about D4 is oh thats garbage rawwr, i mean sure to you, but in realtiy no its not lol
There is also the fact that i might not want WA or WS in my build, hence my 2H only Bleed gush, BB works great for that. PPL need to understand there are many situations why you may or may not use a skill, hence why there is so many options…find the ones that support what you are trying to do, but they are not there to exist to only support Hota or one build. lol
Thanks for clarification, and sorry if I started a flaming debate, that was not my intention, I was just curious about the guaranteed op mechanics 
All of this is subject to change in a week or 2. We know for a fact that devs are looking into Banished Lord’s. One of the big reasons it’s so overpowered (pardon the pun), is that it not only yields a guaranteed Overpower, but it also yields the damage bonus whether your Overpower comes from Banished Lord’s or not. The second statement of the amulet is always on.
As Bashkar points out, Bonebreaker has no damage component. If you can save a bunch of Paragon and unlock another (x)Damage% node by not unlocking it, you’ll gain more in a typical HotA setup.
Btw I went to friend’s house and tested his barb in the dummy room. We just idled till both bonecrusher and dominate icons came online. Then he hit the boss dummy with one basic bash, and surprisingly, only dominate icon vanished. Then he tried hota, only then bonecrusher was gone (or the opposite order I don’t remember). I didn’t ask him to try to add talisman buff though, since we quickly went out for drink.
Anyway actually I don’t think I’d play barb anytime soon, I still like rogues and sorc best