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Your initial post did not come off like that at all. It came across as very condescending and elitist…

These quotes imply that people who like D4 are simpletons satisfied with anything, which couldn’t be further from the truth. If that wasn’t your intention then perhaps choose your words a little more carefully. I was playing Minesweeper, Mahjong and various strategy games before you were even born. I like all kinds of games. I like this one.

As far as the history goes, Diablo 1 and 2 were games I played for a short bit then never picked up again. IMO they are overrated games. Diablo 3 was too cartoony for my tastes and only got a brief playthrough. So I didn’t have this franchise on some pedestal because to me it was a mediocre one at best. I only purchased D4 because the videos I saw on youtube looked like something I might be interested in. I’ve been very surprised by how long this game has grabbed my attention.

Far as Blizzard goes, this is not the same Blizzard that created Diablo or the Warcraft series. Those people left a LONG time ago. We’re talking almost 20 years since Blizzard North shut down. D3 was a clear direction of which way they were going with this series and it wasn’t back to D2. But having played all the versions of this franchise I can safely say that it does capture the essence of the series and is actually more tolerable than the previous entries as I’ve played this one far longer than I played the others. But if you were a huge fan of the first two games and are looking for a return to that, yeah, this game isn’t for you.

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Op you may have to accept the fact that not everyone has the same experience as you?

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Once they figure a way out to make it desireable to farm loot, without spamming us with meaningless rare-items, which take almost as much time to manage as playing actual content the hate will drastically reduce.

We dont need solutions to endgame fast, when the lootsystem encourages us to farm loot and we are having repeatibly fun with it. Instead of playing the salvage simulator.

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I really want to enjoy the game. I love this games history and storyline

But every update changes my experience. I have spent weeks levelling characters and enjoying the storyline (I was level 55 before I finished main story, I enjoyed it rather than rushing to level up), just to find out when I start running NM dungeons my build cannot upgrade glyphs.

I am level 81 in season, again enjoying the process instead of grinding dungeons for quick levelling. Now after last update I can’t finish a dungeon or teleport without crashing back to windows every other time.

It is such a time consuming game, but suddenly not being able to play has ruined it. It’s so badly made with poorly executed updates that I can’t bring myself to play it anymore. I don’t expect to finish the season, just because I can’t play long enough without getting kicked out. I wish I had your experience but I can’t

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It’s sad that if you want an actual intellectual conversation about D4 you need to head to the class forums. Coz all the posts with actual contributions gets buried by all the irrelevant posts in general.

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Bummer man. Did you try reinstalling the game or at least tried the scan and repair thing? At first I was enduring those too until I switched to another ISP. Turns out it was their fault all along.

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Yeah, this is exactly the point I was trying to make: if one’s enjoying it and claims that it is great, then that, in my book, goes to show that they have very simple understanding of games, or very simple expectations of games.

To make that clearer: there is particular inherent quality to things, which justify and warrant how you’d “qualify” them. True qualifications should reflect the true qualities in said thing. It’s really simple, to be honest.

I simply believe that the innate, or inherent, quality of D4 is low. I’d never bring myself to call it “great”, or “good”, because these qualifications do not correspond to the actual quality, absolutely speaking, in the game.

Is there enough content in the game for someone to spend 50/60/70 hours of enjoyment? Yes. Was the game made for this end? No. Is the Diablo franchise aimed at delivering such gameplay experience and genre of a game? No. Do the examples of great, or even good, ARPGs in the past, or currently, make up a better gaming experience, compared to D4? Yes.

So, depending on the standard by which we measure, or the measurement which we use, the game can be considered “good”. Is it a good Diablo game? No. Is it good AAA game? No. Is it good ARPG game, regardless of franchise? No, it’s rather decent.

It plays like a generic MMO + ARPG, which does not only fail to reiterate the amazing game systems in D2, or other popular and successful ARPGs, but it fails its own innovations and attempts to move the genre forward.

So, I cannot say it in any less offensive, or aggressive way, but there’s a threshold of quality a thing has to cover, in order to qualify being “good”, or “great”, and D4 fails that threshold. Thus, depending on the standard and the end which we ascribe to the game, then how we’d qualify it differs.

But since it’s a Diablo AAA game, developed and promised by Blizzard as recapturing of and return to the initial “spirit/essence” of Diablo, then according to that standard: it fails.

If the game currently works for you and brings you what you thought it would, or even if it isn’t what you thought, but still enjoy it: good for you. I’m not here to kill your joy, but try to make it clear that the game fails to be a good Diablo game.

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Just in case yall are wondering what level of shill you’re dealing with here.

This guy actually said… with a straight face… that “one of the things he was looking forward to most” about a new character was the renown/lilith grind.

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Don’t sweat it. The game has many many issues and I think the devs are aware and will eventually get it there.

Take heart knowing they have the metrics and telemetry for the game and that paints the picture much better than any troll posts or twitch viewership numbers.

Never take the forums for reality overall.

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And? If he was shill he’d have had no problem with the way it works currently. He’d tow the company line and praise them for not making us redo all that. Might seem strange to you, but there are people that enjoy questing and exploring things multiple times with a fresh character.

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So, he is a shill…because he enjoys an aspect of the game that you don’t?

This right here is the amount of absolute, sheer ridiculous forum vomit that has clouded these forums. To suggest that another player is a shill because you, and some others don’t like whatever [insert] gameplay aspect is ridiculous to the point that you have to be trolling. If you aren’t trolling, you need to grab your helmet, and go wait for your short bus.

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Console gamers have very low expectations of AAA games compared to PC gamers.
And i think sometimes its a clash of those two parties. But we have seperate Console forums so…

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Reported for ableism

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I see it as one of two things:

  • people have played very few games so “worst game I ever played” isn’t saying much
  • children who think that describing something as far worse than it is is a way to get what they want. E.g. temper tantrums
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Whut?

This isn’t a serious post right?..right? Because a certain demographic of game players are using a different piece of equipment to play a game makes them have different expectations of what a AAA game should be? LMFAOOOOOO…whatever, my guy.

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Yes more simplified controls can definitely lower expectations f.e. in the quality of movement mechanics etc.

Aswell as “auto targeting/aiming” can lead to a better gaming experience without having to deal with otherwise “hard parts” of a game.

Also performance is much better tuned for the plattform the game is made for. (in this case the game is made for consoles and ported to PC) So technical flaws appear more often on the PC counterpart due to compatibility issues or optimizations.

So by limitations in either gameplay or graphics (hardware horsepower) expectations for console gamers in AAA games are lower by nature.

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I’m down with it. I’ve a 12 pack of shiner oktoberfest in the fridge. It’s still a little early but I’ll start in a couple of hours.
I’ll do 6 ounces per word. Haha :beer:

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I don’t know, man. I think common sense is slowly fading away.

Someone sells something as a bread knife, but you say it sucks, because it barely cuts bread, but other users defend it saying “but have you seen how well you can stir your soup with it?”, as if that justifies it being sold as bread knife and as if it answers your objections that you can barely cut bread with it.

So, similarly, this is what we have here:

“This is a bad Diablo game. Nah, it’s even a mediocre ARPG game, regardless of franchise”

and in response:

“Nah, the game is good, because the quests are great and I myself don’t mind leveling up to 100 for no reason”.

Yeah, they are saying the bread knife is good, because you can stir the soup with it. Well, yeah, it may be good, because you can find some other use for it; but it’s definitely not a good bread knife.

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I love Shiner, used to know their master brewer lady even back in the day. We even used to get our parents to ship it up north in college because we couldn’t get it up there.

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If any of these people go play Path of Exile (free on steam/free at their website) they’d see just how badly blizzard has destroyed their game. PoE LITERALLY DOES everything Blizzard nintendon’t, not even a competition.