I’m currently level 52 and have been playing TB (following Maxroll). I’ve been really struggling to kill things in WT3, so I dropped back down to WT2 to finish maxing out Renown. Currently have 3/5 zones done, and the other two are almost done.
I know the recent patch nerfed survivability significantly, but I don’t remember the transition from WT2 to 3 being so atrociously un-fun on the Pulverize Druid I leveled to 100 on eternal realm. I’m not enjoying TB…at all.
I’m debating dumping materials into changing to Barrage to see if I enjoy that more, but wanted to hear from other rogues. I usually prefer ranged/casters in RPGs, so I might enjoy it more. Or does TB get significantly better with more Paragon?
I know getting Sacreds will boost my damage/survivability, but the issue is you kinda have to kill things first to get these, and I was getting my squishy rogue butt handed to me.
Get the shadow decoy malignant heart.
Use smoke grenade. It casts insantly, spawns a 6 second taunt, dazes everything, and its cooldown can be lowered with its enhancement.
Get your hands on an aspect of crowded sage. You will now cc everything and constantly be at full hp. You can also use aspect of stolen vigor, but you are locked into using momentum then, which barrage does not use.
Thats it. Everything else can be used to help out your damage.
Regarding gear.
Do legion event when it spawns and if you can, world boss. Youll get a lot of sacred gear to get started, and you literally dont need to do anything. Get the highest dmg sacred weapons you can find then fine tune the stats with better drops.
Everyone who struggles with normal game content with TB has a huge problem with the build or in terms of personal skills. With a decent build you wreak havoc with a speed other classes dream of. Barrage and the other ranged builds suck pretty bad, it feels like playing a medieval version of “The ascent”.
Noted, thank you. I did try out a dungeon in WT3 yesterday after getting some more paragon from renown and I was able to clear it, so I might have finally progressed to the tier where I can start getting sacred gear.
I’ve tried both Flurry/Rapid Fire and Barrage build. Both are incredibly fun. That said I think the Flurry/Rapid Fire might be better though. The lifesteal on Flurry is quite decent and the single target damage on Rapid Fire for bosses is likewise decent. Barrage is super dependent on its imbues and I’m popping potions like crazy if I get cornered. No ability to get out of CC either unless I want to switch Dash to Shadow Step. I’m actually thinking about switching back out of Barrage.
I have barely noticed the lifesteal from
Flurry. Maybe it’s because I blow up most things almost instantly within 5-10 levels of myself? Or because it’s combined with stolen vigor I only have to heal myself in extreme situations.
Maybe it’s because my globe barely ever drops that I don’t see it, but come to think of it I was in a dungeon last night doing on the the side events with the poison exploding spiders that also had the 30% bleed dot modifier. My entire health globe would turn yellow for the dot damage and then gradually fill up to red. My low roll of stolen vigor couldn’t outheal 6K worth of dot damage alone especially the low roll I had on it.
I was never a ruin danger of dying because I understand what’s happening with my health bar. DOT damage can be offset with strong HOT which is exactly what stolen vigor or crowded Sage provide conditionally. Same for the flurry lifesteal. Siphoning strikes was giving all of that in a passive. Stolen vigor is a stronger heal.
What rogue is missing is a burst heal other than potions
Imperative you try Flurry. Get it to 5/5 and then get gloves that add +4 to TB and +4 to Flurry later in game. Poison Imbue + TB + Daze. Shadow Imbue + Flurry or Cold Imbue +Flurry. Drop Dash and Shadow Step. If you want to break CC then don’t get Dark Shroud and pickup Concealment. 2 Imbues, 2 Core skills (Flurry, TB), Puncture, +1 skill your pick.
The dash / TB w/ cooldown reduction is taxing and gimp. If you are worried about dying alot, get defensive aspects such as Stolen Vigor and switch to Momentum passive. If you are running TB with Daze you will get Max momentum stacks for 20% dmg reduction. Throw in the heal aspect when enemies are close and you are good. Have either Dark Shroud or Concealment for your final skill, whiichever you prefer.
Go Combo Points and stack move speed on boots / amulet.
If you enjoy ranged casters in aarpgs then that may be what you’re in need of. With that said, you aren’t likely going to be getting near the damage you would with tb. There’s something wrong with your gear/build because I was doing T3 just fine with the poison blades build at level 35.
Windgrace, I just outlined an alternative TB build in my post. Most people using Maxroll miss an entire dimension of Rogue. They rely on the TB / Dash / Shadow Step and using Shadow Imbue with Encircling Blades. There is nothing wrong with that, but Flurry can be quite potent and provides an alternative AoE playstyle for folks that get tired of the standard TB.
With Flurry, it is mandatory you get the Affix that makes Flurry hit in a full 360 circle. You can use Shadow Imbue or Cold Imbue to spread AoE effects, Stun, or make enemies Vulnerable. Flurry becomes your tool for AoE clears and TB w/ Daze and Poison Imbue becomes your single target tool for downing isolated elites or bosses. Most folks can’t fathom dropping Dash and Shadow Step but you can get such high move speed with a rogue (mine is 158% base move speed), that you can zip around and do potent AoE damage with Flurry + Imbues. Add on top of that the Cunning Stratagem Paragon board and it’s buff to combo point effects and you can get Move Speed to it’s cap of 200% quite often.
The only real ‘gap’ is “How do i break CC since i dropped shadow step?”. The answer to that is usually Concealment (with heal talent makes Concealment assist with health regen) or Dark Shroud (which you can get even more move speed). Dark Shroud isn’t really viable since large packs will drop it almost the moment you use it, so most high end rogues go with Concealment for the CC mitigation it gives.
When you get lvl 80+ i drop Shadow Imbue and switch to Cold Imbue since it opens a whole new damage bucket for Rogue. By this time you are so powerful you don’t need Shadow Imbue AoE clears for mob packs: Cold Imbue + Stun dmg becomes more potent for higher level NM clears, etc.
Thank you! I will definitely have to try this out. With a little more paragon I’ve been able to get WT3 content down, I’m just finishing up renown before I hop into NMD and the “endgame”.
I’ve tried TB in the beginning of WT4 around lvl 60 and felt paper thin with the Maxroll build. I know it works, because I see people tearing things up with it.
Might revisit when I have more levels and better gear, but TB does feel a bit obnoxious with all the movement. Flurry survived better and felt much smoother, though the damage was low when enemies were way above you.
Currently using rapid fire, and I’m a glass cannon with options. Though I’m still under level and missing aspects/hearts.