[Non SB Classes] Need pit push to level glyphs. Need to level glyphs to push pit. This is a problem

[anon22783656]

Pretty much yes but without the bugs and exploits, this issue of comparison to SB would not exist.

[KazOrion-1762]

weird how there is a strong class every season, yet you still complain there are powerful builds in the game, coupled with classes that can’t even max their glyphs.

[Jemuzu-11303]

Without bugs and exploits the Spiritborn is still worlds beyond any other class. The bugs and exploits only manage to put them into a different universe altogether.

[anon22783656]

@Jemuzu-11303

Without bugs and exploits the Spiritborn is still worlds beyond any other class.

Proof? I wanna see them.

20 chars

[Jemuzu-11303]

The proof is in the damage numbers? Take away the bugged multipliers and you still have the base multiplied damage they were doing before those were discovered, which was easily already in the billions and trillions.

[anon22783656]

Unless you can add some reference here, I won’t believe it. I am willing to change my stance if you can share any. Maybe make a video and share it?

[Jemuzu-11303]

I just gave you the answer. If you haven’t been tracking what’s been going on that’s on you, not me. Do your own research. It’s not my job to track down every post and video I’ve watched to chronical the damage rise since release for you.

[anon22783656]

@Jemuzu-11303

I just gave you the answer. If you haven’t been tracking what’s been going on that’s on you, not me. Do your own research. It’s not my job to track down every post and video I’ve watched to chronical the damage rise since release.

Lol. That’s a very convenient way of saying you got no proof or reference. It’s okay if you got nothing to show. Let’s agree to disagree.

[pvpxan-1759]

@anon22783656

What build did you run in S5? Did you run a non SB equivalent (LS would be like the equivalent) and you had fun clearing those tiers?

I had my own build for those seasons and was able to T7/T8s with no problem. I used my own variant of Andariel/Puncture/Flurry Rogue and my own version of Frozen Orb Sorc. I did have a Bash Barb similar to how I have an SB this season just to help my friend get gear.

@anon22783656

So that means casuals should be playing hardcore instead because that’s the majority? Or should we remove hardcore because the majority are casuals?

This is a dumb response. It costs almost nothing to have a hardcore system in the game.

@anon22783656

Just because I disagree doesn’t mean I am a snob. I am pointing out the flaw in your argument. I am not being snob. If you have other things to do, why bother getting to Pit 100, Glyphs 100, and Para 300? Should you not focus on more important things? Should I assume you are mismanaging your time? Or are you snobbing more important things in your life?

My argument is far from flawed. And yes, when a certain barrier for casual players exists that prevent them from at the bare minimum maxing out their characters, and then saying the system is fine is completely snobbish behavior. Asking for people to be able to max out 1-2 characters in a season if they are casual is COMPLETELY reasonable. I am not asking for free pit 150. I am asking for at the bare minimum, Paragon 300 and if someone some some min/max to get pit 100 with several build options.

I am not a casual player and I am not a super competitive player. The most fun I had with a season were in the last 2 seasons. This season made changes I could tell would be bad for people with less time than me.

[Kubikluc-2412]

I could comfortably do IH7 and even managed IH8 last season with my Fireball Sorc. With the same build I am stuck at Pit 85. There is definitely something different this season.

[AngelWings-1263]

@anon22783656

What’s realistically reasonable? Something that caters to your schedule and difficulty?

40-60 hours per season on any class and build I choose to play, not just current meta builds that have the required multipliers to be able to achieve it. Level 100 glyphs should be the soft cap. No-lifers can keep pushing pits if they so desire.

[anon22783656]

@pvpxan-1759

@anon22783656

hat means casuals should be playing hardcore instead because that’s the majority? Or should we remove hardcore because the majority are casuals?

This is a dumb response. It costs almost nothing to have a hardcore system in the game.

Actually what you said is dumb. Your logic is because the majority are casuals we should make Para 300, Pit 100, Glyph 100 easy. So we should make hardcore easy for casuals too or just remove it.

@pvpxan-1759

My argument is far from flawed. And yes, when a certain barrier for casual players exists that prevent them from at the bare minimum maxing out their characters, and then saying the system is fine is completely snobbish behavior.

Actually, it’s flawed. You assume I said the system is fine. You started with the wrong assumption. The system isn’t fine or perfect just to straighten things out.

[GameMaster2D-1213]

it literally took years of power creep for people to legitimately hit GR 150 in d3, the pit glyph leveling scheme is lifted straight from d3. the goal of the system is to give you multiple things to grind for.

the paragon grind, the glyph grind, and even the max pit level being virtually unattainable are all totally fine. I would like to see the pits be more rewarding but that’s about it.

[anon22783656]

@AngelWings-1263

40-60 hours per season on any class and build I choose to play, not just current meta builds that have the required multipliers to be able to achieve it. Level 100 glyphs should be the soft cap. No-lifers can keep pushing pits if they so desire.

So basically, make glyph leveling casual? For what purpose? Why do casuals need glyph 100?

Make paragon leveling for no-lifers?

[KazOrion-1762]

I just want to acknowledge this is a great post. and in response, all you got were insults that stay up even when you report them…

[anon22783656]

@Kubikluc-2412

I could comfortably do IH7 and even managed IH8 last season with my Fireball Sorc. With the same build I am stuck at Pit 85. There is definitely something different this season.

Well, there is no denying S6 is not the same as S5. A lot of things have changed.

Edit: I can do T7 and maybe T8 with Fireball Sorc but I had to borrow powers from Conjuration. But pure FB I can’t beat Council. It takes too much time. My favorite build is Firewall is just pitiful at T7 even with all the possible gear and upgrades.

[AngelWings-1263]

@anon22783656

So basically, make glyph leveling casual? For what purpose? Why do casuals need glyph 100?

Define casual. I don’t consider that casual. I think you live in this game and it has warped your expectations. Possibly an addiction.

[anon22783656]

@AngelWings-1263

Define casual. I don’t consider that casual. I think you live in this game and it has warped your expectations. Possibly an addiction.

That’s what I asked you. What is casual for you?

[pvpxan-1759]

@AngelWings-1263

40-60 hours per season on any class and build I choose to play, not just current meta builds that have the required multipliers to be able to achieve it. Level 100 glyphs should be the soft cap. No-lifers can keep pushing pits if they so desire.

This guy gets it. Also, Pit 100 should definitely be farmable by at least B tier builds.

[Kubikluc-2412]

I just wanted to point out that not only OP builds were able to do top endgame content last season. I agree that it is different now.

Only did IH8 once, taking down the council took me ages.