Sure, you’re far better than Ghazzy! He suck so bad.
Thing is, he can make it work-ish, but it’s so incredibly slow, it’s just not viable - and some things are virtually impossible.
Not talking about farming builds, or any sort of solo endeavor.
I am talking about a build that is nearly entirely an idle mmo build that can compete on the leaderboards in push content.
Edit: And if that type of build existed in D3, or any game, I don’t support that either.
Where is this going?
Even if a minion build can survive and deal enough damage to clear the hardest content in the game, it will always be a slow moving build which means it will never be optimal. But that’s okay. Players who enjoy the minionmancer playstyle aren’t going to care that they can’t zip around. I think it’s enough just to be able to stay alive and kill stuff.
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Ummm where is this going? YOU brought it up. That auto-clicker build only exists in your head, so WHAT exactly was your point? Minion builds in ARPG’s are never afk-builds… I mentioned a literal 1 button held down clear entire area build in D3. There are no pet builds in D3 that do that >.>
bruh
Now try this in WT4 with a fire enchant/suppressor elite and a damage aura mob in a pack of say 5 skitterings.
Did you actually watch that? Even with uniques he’s incredibly slow on WT3. That “amazing” minion build is garbage tier when placed against anything functional.
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that is litterally Tier 3… Bruh, anything works on that tier.
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He’s 13 levels below the monsters he’s fighting lol
He hit a suppressor he wouldn’t have been able to kill at all without the spike shrine active.
Hi. Level 68 summon necro player here.
That build is pretty close to the one I’ve run, minus I went decrepify and blight for corpse production and vuln. But yes he’s right the cold mage spam is undervalued.
Here’s the problem. It works until it doesn’t. And when it doesn’t there’s no “oh I can outplay this” or “oh this is about skill” it’s just “well I rolled the combo that’s silly so I guess that’s that on that.”
What is this combo? Fire enchant, suppressor, and electric pillar. Any single one of these in WT4 is hard for necros. Why? Because their AI is base. Mages won’t arrange themselves inside the suppressor shield to do damage. Skellies just stumble into AoE fire and die repeatedly. As a necro, the RP fantasy is controlling minions to do your bidding. You cannot here.
If you get 2 you’re having to cheese mobs away, But it’s doable. It takes forever.
Get all three or two of these plus a hard to target or extra health dmg aura mob? That’s it. Doesn’t matter. Your skellies cannot compensate. There is no way to “play well” and win. You just have to die and die and die and hope you get a few more kills so the next try is easier.
This is what is meant by being broken. It’s not that there’s a skill tier to reach that’s harder than others, that sounds fun. it’s that the design of this build creates dead ends in a game about progression. It makes hardcore, for instance, insanely more difficult for necros. and it makes endgame progress go by SLOWLY.
Any other class can maneuver and adjust for elite mods. This build cannot because our minions have no sense of self preservation or action economy.
Thank you for coming to my Ted talk 
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Don’t know who that is nor do I care I just play video games, fact is you’re trash I’m doing fine soloing W4 nightmare dungeons sub 70.
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They want the dmg to come all from the minions only basically. They want the huge numbers that the WW barbs, slicer rogues, lightning sorcs, wearbear druids…but on ALL the pets lol.
I mean, the paragon straight up doesn’t work and is bugged, ofc they suck
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You mean echo of elias…thats the capstone for wt4 lol…what a troll.
Anyway for me personally id like my minions to just listen to me at this point.
Running decomp and blight with the scream 2h scythe coupled with the minion ring my minions are fine…if theyd just hit someone.
My playstyle is mild cc and while ccd the minions dmg picks up. But that wont work of they dont A.) Hit my targets that are ccd. B.) Have the damage to do so.
But when im banging on 4 elites and my 13 minions decide to hit a spider in some random room 4 doors down thats not me thats the minions.
When i blow up a fire elite i want my minions to come back to me not stand in a friggan aoe and die.
When they do die id like to press a single button and bring them back to kill the remaining 3 elites i have locked down, not sit there spamming 1 button 13 times.
Id like my minions paragon board for dmg increases to actually work, not sit there and do nothing with pretty colors.
Notice how none of this encouraged AFK play. My minions dmg comes from my actively ccing enemies, if i dont cc they dont do dmg.
So in my mind, if i cc i expect some friggan dmg. The fact that part A is being met but not part B is where the issue stems from.
How ANYONE can asume thats afk play is beyond me and just blatantly stupid.
And lastly the fact that we have to sit here and fight to explain this to moronic boot lickers like yourself is even more frustrating.
Edit: i wont go onto the specifics of gear but the ability roll is decrep->blight->priest buff-> blight. Usually theyre dead by now.
If not continuing from above: golem->blight-> blight-> decomp(essence generation if necessary and to spread chill to 3 targets) → priest buff-> decrepify-> blight. And then just rotate as necessry.
Stuff usally dies on the first ability roll anyway. None of that is friggan afk.
No I’m saying you’ll never kill the Echo Of Lilith On World Tier 4 which is the challenge in torment you dumbass.
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You mean the LEVEL 100 UBER BOSS THAT NOONE CAN DO JUST YET!?
Bro sit your trolling butt down somewhere
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I don’t think I’ve ever seen a more pointless debate. You’ve got the “minion necros suck because they aren’t as fast as the fastest class at stuff” corner and the “I’m doing fine on my minion necro clearing anything I want, except when I run into fire enchant/suppressor.”
Can we all just agree instead that Blizzard implementing a move/attack command button would make all our lives immensely better? Can we get a petition going for said command? At least that way something might change for the better.
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Summoner builds were 100% viable and fun to play in Marvel Heroes 2016. Too bad that game is dead. As in actually dead.
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God i miss marvel heroes. I ran Black Panther ebon sword personally for his electric trap and claws…good times.
TO RAWBLIN YES GIVE US THAT BUTTON!!!
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