So i am an old D2 player, probably put 1000’s of hours in.
I got D4 to play with friends but we all quit near launch cause the game wasn’t in a very good state.
I came back a few weeks ago cause i heard a lot was fixed and there was an expac, so it seemed like a good time.
I was having a lot of fun on my old eternal character, probably the most fun I have had in a blizzard game in ages.
So first the sticker shock 55CAD for an expansion… i can buy i whole game for that, but i was having fun so i justified it.
Friends said they play seasonal, I had no idea what that was until then and don’t have any interest in resetting all the time since i get focused on other things and will never get to endgame. Disappointing but not a deal breaker, I was having fun alone and that was fine.
So now i login to find my eternal character has been nerfed to 50 from 64 (2 weeks work for me) and really redoing a bunch for no reason sucks, just no longer interested, just another crap move from blizzard, i am used to it.
So I go to refund to find out they are not willing… so now i have to dispute and back charge the order…
why? why any of this?
Anyway, i see the other posts saying the same thing and only have 1 more thing to say.
Take your time somewhere else, Blizzard just proves ever and over they don’t want you here.
GG’s everyone I am not interested in being forced onto a hamster wheel.
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I absolutely feel you. I bought D2R full price out of frustration after it was announced mid-season that all items will become legacy items for the third time in a row.
Well, I’m back at D4. I wanted to play Frenzy Barb in D2R and found out that you practically have to grind gear with a more competent build first before doing that. So I started a Hammerdin and stopped midway through Nightmare, because the Hammerdin playstyle is so boring to me coming from D4.
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D2 in general is just outdated… i like D2 alot and think its what Diablo games should be based on but the games old dude… cant compare it to D4 at all… D4 is a shell of a game i believe but the combat is revolutionary for arpgs… like poe2 will be better then D4 but i bet D4 combat will still be the new bar set if poe2 isnt similar combat wise. D4 did somthing with arpg combat that is new and ill recognize that
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You’re definitely right. Season 5 I played Flay Barb, Lightning Spear Sorc, Andariel’s Rogue, even a bit Blood Surge Necro, and every playstyle felt great and was fun.
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Level 50 used to be where skill points stopped. Now you are earning more skill points for levels 51-60. When you hit 60 (the new max level), your paragon points will unlock again. You haven’t lost any progress.
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I disagree. He was max level before and now he is not anymore. Simple as that. It’s a re-grind. Saying he didn’t lose progress because in theory they added stuff is like giving a discount on an item that hits the shelves for the first time.
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im not so worried about the points as i dont get to play a lot, so its takes me a loooong time to even get 10 levels
I like to run dungeons for the emo tree rewards and 2 gets me 1 level, so it can take me 2-3 weeks to get 10 levels and mostly keep playing eternal cause i thought i was just gonna be able to chip away at it…
I’m sure it’ll be at least another year if we get another expansion so you still can. The jump from 50-60 is fairly quick. Even if it takes you a few weeks to “catch up”, you’ll still have the paragon points you left off with which take much longer to grind than those last few levels.
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It’s not a re-grind if you are grinding for something new. He used to have 58 skill points, now he has 59 and can earn 10 more + 2 from Nahantu renown if he gets the expansion. Once he hits 60 all the paragon he had before will be available. So he is not losing anything. A few paragon points are temporarily unavailable while he grinds the new levels.
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It’s not outdated… also at least it doesn’t have a cash shop.
Well just as you get to 60 and get your gear top notch the next expansion hits and wipes your progress again 
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Im not hating on D2 i play D2R every so often i think D2 modernized is peak diablo… but lets be real for a second the inventory managment and movement and even combat is genuinely outdated
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Tell me you’re doing all this on Penitence difficulty? It only took me two hours from level 50 to 60. The first hour I didn’t realize I was on Normal difficulty.
but i do have to re-grind to get back.
by your own admission
You don’t need to regrind for gear. I got to T3 with Legacy gear. Using a thorn build. By Pit55 my build just can’t kill fast enough.
You don’t have to re-grind because whatever you get by continuing to level is new stuff. From 50-60 you get new skill points. After 60 you get new paragon points. At no point do you earn XP to get something you already had.
Next xpac will be 70 and have to do this over again. And the gear will be legacy again and essentially useless.
That’s just wrong and you know it. Our gear will be Legacy by Season 8.
You can update a strong foundation thats outdated… use mods
Heck you can even stack now
https://youtu.be/dZWtHK_s7gg?si=mIHRNJHTKbvSaB0p
Garbage foundation is forever
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The biggest reason D4 isn’t more like D2 is because Blizzard gave us D3 and all the streamers grew up with that. Some of these guys were literally toddlers when D2 came out and didn’t play it. D3 was their first “Diablo game.”
So their experience of “what a Diablo game is,” is based almost entirely on D3, which was a MESS when it came out and took years to get to a decent state. It was a bright, even neon cartoony mess — but the Devs seem hell-bent on copying that. About the only concession to D2’s sensibility in D4 are the graphics (and I saw some folks complaining on these forums that there were “too many colors” in VoH lol).
It’s like the experience of the Star Wars prequel trilogy all over again: many fans of the OT that got to see it as it came out in theaters in the late 70’s and early 80’s abhor the prequels that came out at the end of the 90’s and the early aughts — but the 8 years olds who saw the prequels when they came out — and loved them — are in their 30’s now and are the ones driving the fandom.
Older fans always get the short end of the stick. It’s happening even with games like Civilization.
It’s that way with D4. Blizzard is making a game for the critical mass of people and their influencers/streamers that make and break their engagement. Those people think of D3 as THE Diablo game. So that’s where the audience is. It’s nothing personal against D2 fans like older players, it’s just how the checks get cut, unfortunately. And unfortunately too, D3 is a zoom-zoom-zoom loot explosion game. VoH has literal loot explosions now whenever you kill a boss or turn in Whispers. That’s the D3 experience right there. Everything needs to be done in 5 minutes or the streamers will be mad while chugging their Red Bull. People are complaining now about Torment IV. Wait a few patches and nothing there will take more than 3 minutes to achieve.
The only large success that was an exception to this in recent memory is BG3 — and that took years to make with heavy community involvement (and funding).
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Different company but i bought AC Black Flag for $12 from Ubisoft as it was on sale. By far the best of the complete land and seas version. Older is sometimes still better because this generation is the “I want everything now” and doesnt appreciate the grind to actually get that item that drops when you finally beat the boss (or random).
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