Many people overlook this why SB has so many S tier build and easy to achieve

Is because SB meta build does not require any mythic uniques to function. This is truly the definition of good class design. Because mythic should not be required for top end build to function, given how rare they are for the majority of the player.

It has been widely accepted I think most people agree that mythic should not be a necessity for top tier build to function. It should only further enhance it.

I’ve look at other 5 classes, I think S tier build all asking for more than 1 mythic uniques SB is the only one that is optional.

Also the class tree is just really well thought out and put together. Great synergies and promotes different play style. SB is the class that finally has multiple S tier build and more emerging as season goes on.

Blizzard you should really look at reworking the other classes , I think SB has brought a new level of expectations for many players in D4 now moving forward.

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The spiritborn is a really well built class. Now they have to go back and give the other classes the good old ‘once over’ to bring them up to the same diversity and standards.

just my opinion of course but I feel it’s a shared one.

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Making everything OP is a bad direction. Not everyone has a learning disability and wants easy mode.

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No the reason is that every single SB build uses the same bugged synergy. Be it quill, crushing hand, evade, touch of death etc.

Also nearly every build uses Rod of Kepeleke. Which mostly defeats your real point.

Other classes need mythics because they all suck.

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I was talking about build diversity … no one wants their build to be gated behind mythic unique that is all just RNG with incredible low drop rate.

Look at it objectively, this is why SB is a success.

I’m not really thinking about the overpowered/balance part of the spiritborn, just how the class is put together and the builds that can be made. From choice of the 4 spirits, to the choice of a second spirit, to how the skill tree is built, affixes, just how everything works and blends together.

Balance is another parallel topic is feel.

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That is because Rod of K and Midnight Sun creates a great synergy there that works on multiple different build.

I wasn’t even talking about bugs and ppl abusing them. Has there been a build in the past season when it wasn’t due to some kind of a bug ?

But you said " this is why SB has so many top tier builds"… They dont need mythics to function because SB relies on bugged synergies.

Kepeleke and Midnight sun on paper is a good synergy but dmg sucks. It just goes to the heaven after getting the neccessary paragon nodes.

Once bugs are fixed… it quickly goes down the drain again. Then we will see how balanced it is.

But I strongly agree with Shoklen… the way they developed the skill tree surely is kinda nice.

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Well, with the bugs in place how do we even know if the dmg will goes to Sh!t ? I mean maybe it was balanced originally, due to bugs it is not balanced ?

if the dmg becomes Sh!t I am sure blizzard will just buff it somehow.

there arent too many builds that are actually “gated” behind mythics. Every build that uses mythics also has alternatives for the slot. Only build i could think of actually that is gated behind a mythic is like andies rogue lol.

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Not really, the alternative will cut you off on power level by a significant margin either that has to be your survival or dmg …

dealing less damage doesnt mean the build is gated behind a mythic. A build is gated if there is an item the build absolutely needs to come online.

I really do dislike, and have for a long time now, how most classes in online build guides rely 100% on the holy trinity of Mythicals. That is a problem with no easy solution.

I’m just running my (new) spiritborn in a non-meta basic build using thorns as punching damage (gorilla) with the helm that doubles that 200%. I just find it funny and a reason to use my GA Razorplate. :slight_smile:

I think you are just arguing for the sake of arguing on wording now. Would you play a build that comes online but does 16 dmg for example ? Sure the build is online. it works… but it sucks LOL… when you put on the required mythic it instead does 1600 dmg for instance…

SB doesn’t suffer from the above issue.

Because I played SB for like 3 days without even using these synergies and I didnt have good time. Barely was able to get to t2.

Maybe they want to balance the game for everyone to stay at t2-3 I dunno. I honestly dont really care that much about that… what I care about tho is that the current balance is absolutely horrendous with the SB.

And yeah you are right… it’s mostly always dammit bugs that shoot builds through the roof.

But thats also the reason why a lot of people are so mad. It’s mindblowing how this company even now with the PTR doesnt get it right.

actually you argue for the sake of arguing. Spiritborn could use quad GA uniques. Does that mean their builds are gated behind them?

a build that comes online is absolutely playable, but of course has room for more power. Thats what mythics do. They enhance your build. they dont enable your build.

That being said, Spiritborns arent S tier because they dont use mythics, there are S tier because they are hilariously OP.

they are OP due to some bugs, but fundamentally a very well designed class with great potentials.

You shouldn’t need mythics to be able to do end game content given how rare they’ve become.

oh i agree i also think that they are very well designed. Im looking forward to play one, once its not as OP as it is anymore.

as for the mythics, really no idea what people are doing to avoid them. i honestly dont know anyone by now who doesnt have at least 5 ^^ But yea, again, you dont need mythics. they empower you. all current builds that use mythic items absolutely work without mythics as well

The way you say stuff reminds me Lazyloaf , do you guys play together or something ?

You two never seems to run into mythic acquiring issues ever…

I mean The first season I’ve ever acquired a mythic was back in S4 I think ? before that I’ve never seen one.

hah yea we do. Tho i also play a lot for myself to be honest.

i tend to be rather unlucky with mythics to be honest. usually my season ends with like 3.

This season im absolutely amazed how often they drop from the normal ladder bosses.
Like really, use the party finder for a boss you got mats for, and spamm the hell out of it ^^

earlier today i did a random varshan group. We did like… id say 40 runs, 4 mythics dropped (of course not a huge sample size, but thats pretty much the experience i and others share)