Using a focus with Luky hit: chance to heal with over 86% increased lucky hit with barrier on a frozen orb sorc and i havent seen a heal proc. Or maybe that stat is hot garbage? anyone else having this issue? Thoughts?
You left out the 2 most important factors in lucky hit chance: the lucky hit chance of the ability (should be listed on the item) and the lucky hit chance of the skill (listed on the skill tree).
If we assume the lucky hit chance of the heal is 5% and use the base lucky hit chance of frozen as 4%, then you should see the following results:
0.04 * 1.86 * 0.05 = 0.00372 or 0.37% (about 1 in 300 chance)
So the issue may be that your chance of proccing the ability is extremely low. I’d suggest using a skill with higher lucky hit chance or scrapping the lucky hit bonuses/gear for your build. Lucky hit bonuses can be very good, but are only worth it with the right builds.
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I dont think i left any of that info out. Lucky hit heal can only be a 5% chance and i mentioned it being on a frozen orb sorc. The skill im using is frozen orb. I can add more info though that may help. After changing some gear around my frozen orb has dropped to 6% from 7% lucky hit but what about its extra projectiles? Also i have the aspect of frozen orbit that makes it explode 2 additional times. surely it should have procced once in a few dungeons right?
My assumptions above appear to be correct based on your last post - so you can use those calculations.
The lucky hit% chance on the skill tree includes the +lucky hit chance, so you can go off of that (without the +86%) or calculate the separately for more precision (because tenths of percent aren’t listed in the skill tree).
It’s possible that the bonus explosions from aspect of frozen orbit don’t apply lucky hit, but you would have to research (or test) that to find out.
You’re working with a 1 in 300 chance of proc. With your changes, that chance has dropped even further. Although it should proc at some point in a dungeon if you’re spamming frozen orb, it could be nearly impossible to tell. If you really want to know if it’s working, then you need to test it while your life is less than 100%, and you have no other healing abilities, for a couple of thousand attempts in a more static environment. But I would recommend switching out frozen orb for a much higher proc rate skill to see if that works, then using frozen orb with a much higher proc rate ability to see if that works - if they both work, then they’re likely both working fine together, you just aren’t noticing because the chance is extremely low.
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But im not interested in the interactions with other skills, im interested in the skill my build is using and its interaction with the lucky hit heal mechanic. Ive obviously not tested thouroughly or thousands of times but i have been running around with less than 100% hp and no other sources of healing and havent had a single proc with froz orb. Im using telport as well and that has worked. There has got to be some wonky interaction with the malignant hearts im using. Barber and Revenge have not changed however my third is now Dark Dance which was previously Tal Rashas.
you know that means if your lucky hit chance is 5% base you now have 5% * 1.86 = 9.3% chance of lucky hit, right, not 5% + 86 = 91% chance?
What am i even supposed to say to that? YES.
The calculation for lucky hit is irrelevant, lets throw it out of this coversation so it doesnt complicate it any further.
What i am trying to voice is that even with ZERO increases to lucky hit chance, with the base % on the skill FROZEN ORB, i should have seen a procs by now. Im not sure how many projectiles the froz orb has but its got to be 10+ per cast. I did however notice something interesting just now, the extra proc from the froz orb enchantment doesnt spawn the extra projectiles. Its just an ice orb.
For teleport, the lucky hit chance would be 0.65 * 1.86 * 0.05 = 0.06045 or 6%. That’s more than 16 times more likely to proc, not to mention that you’re using an AoE skill.
Unless you want to put in some effort to figure it out (and it appears you don’t), we can chalk this up to the proc rate being so low you aren’t noticing it. This discussion should be in the sorcerer forum and not the bug forum. (I’m sure there are many sorcerers annoyed by the lucky hit chance of frozen orb)
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Unless you want to stop being condescending and ignorant, you dont have to keep responding. I am out here currently testing it and asking questions on the forum, i.e putting in the effort. If this ability doesnt work as intended then it is in fact a bug and belongs here, however youre right, i should post this in the sorc forums as well. Thats the most helpful thing you have said. I was here originally just asking if anyone else has encountered this because maybe they had figured it out already and had insight but i forgot there were lurking karens waiting to pounce. “Did you know?”
Those of us who respond on the big report forum do so to help the players who are having issues as Blizzard only responds once in every few thousand (or more) posts. In the future i hope you follow the forum guidelines and refrain from attacking those attempting to help you or dictating whether or not we are allowed to post.
As two of us have attempted to help you and you are unwilling to accept our conclusions, I again suggest discussing this on the sorcerer forum or other locations if you don’t wish to test it out yourself. Good luck.
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I dont see how it is your job to respond in a condescending manner to posts? Neither of you offered any help to the question i had, rather you tried to come assert yourself as the forum karens. Nobody has been attacked here though, i assure you that. Being offended and being attacked are two very different things. Your feelings are hurt and thats okay. Next time though, if you want to help someone here, just answer their questions instead of trying to make them feel stupid. Also, you are responding to this WHILE it is in the sorcerer forum post so good try. As i had said previously, i am out here testing and have been. So again, Thank you for nothing and Take care.
Frozen Orb has an abysmal lucky hit chance. (And 2x abysmal is still abysmal.) I don’t know if the issue is that it’s tuned around expecting way more monsters getting hit than happens in reality or if something is off with it.
Frozen Orb does proc lucky hit, though. It’s pretty easy to see with the Avalanche key passive and only casting frozen orb. (Make sure you don’t have an enchant like Ice Shards that can proc lucky hit on it’s own.) It doesn’t proc often, but it does proc.
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I’m glad you posted on the sorcerer forum as well and I’m glad you’re testing now as previously you seemed against it. Please let us know if you find any evidence to backup your initial theory.
I don’t think you hurt anyone’s feelings and I’m sorry if i hurt your feelings - we were simply assisting someone who asked for help on the bug forum. The way lucky hit is calculated is very unclear and i expect that most of us run into similar situations: seeing little or no result from low proc rate skills and abilities.
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Skills have their own lucky hit chance base + character bonus from skills and gear, for example my Blizzard have 40% LH. Items lucky hit chance procs are fixed (usually 5%, sometimes 10-12). I think frozen orb has 5% base too (that’s terribad).
If you have a 5% on lucky hit heal proc from an item and your frozen orb has 7% lucky hit chance, you will statistically have (5/0.07) 0.35% chance to heal proc with frozen orb which means … as they Fenris said, about 1 out of 300 hits.
Also you should know when a skill does a lucky hit, it’s the entire skill (and items procs / aspects), not depending on the different mobs it hits.
So before you call people condescending and ignorant, try to make it click on how you don’t apply math correctly and also that you’re the one asking questions because you don’t know something and getting all pissy about it.
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Other than my defensive skills, the only skill im using is Frozen orb so there shouldnt be too many outliers. I slotted in the meteor enchant instead of fire bolt in case the burning damage was proccing it. Meteor procced twice in the first pack of mobs and then pretty frequently aftewards. As an enchantment it only has an 8% so its not much more but is activating often. I think the abysmal lucky hit chance of Froz orb is offsetted by the amount of projectiles and pulses it has. I would argue that it procs lucky hit effects more often than most of my other skills. Im hoping someone else could just throw on a lucky heal and figure this out. Shouldnt take more than a single nm dungeon to see that its not working.
Meteor could be procing lucky hit itself. Try it without any enchants that have a lucky hit chance. In my experience, Frozen Orb is way worse at proccing lucky hit than most other stuff I use.
I am completely aware of the calculation and how low of a chance it seemingly has but before you speak up as well, read up previous comments. I am not concerned with the calculation for luck hit. My chance is not ZERO, therefore i should have seen a proc with the amount of frozen orbs ive flung at enemies. Ive already implied that people are condescending and ignorant so “before i say it” doesnt apply here. It has been said. My original question was if anyone was having the same issue. I never said that there were things i didnt know and applying math has nothing to do with it. So yeah im a little pissy because i just want someone to answer my question, not come in here white knighting.
Have you had this happen to you? No? then throw some gear on and test it with me or else we can wait for someone else to help. I dont want calculations, i dont want karens and i dont want speculations. I want someone with a similar experience to speak up and say “yeah ive noticed this too” or “it seems to be working fine for me”. Or put on some gear and fling a frozen orb at something and lmk what you come up with.
They work as intended, i’ve witnessed it. You will not see a heal proc happening because it just refills your hp pool by the number mentioned without making a sound or visual effect and if you are 99% of time like many cold sorc under a barrier effect and roughly never losing much hp, it will go unnoticed.
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Im using a caged heart that uses my Hp to cast so my health is usually never at 100%. Im trying not to use my ice armor at all and if fact i will take off any barriers i have. Ive only got 1 point in to the protection passive that gives me barrier when i use a cooldown so i should have no barriers now. Ive been pretty much stairing directly at my health bar as i do these dugeons and have only seen it proc a few times but not from the frozen orb. I ran a dungeon with zero enchantmants just now and the heal procced twice but only from the Lightning caller affix on the dungeon itself. Im not conviced that frozen orb is working with it. Ill go test some open world next but its not looking good. I dont know what youre refering to when you said youve witnessed it. Im only interested in the interaction with frozen orb. I know the lucky hit heal mechanic works with other skills, im not convinced that it is working atm with frozen orb.
Isn’t this the sorcerer forum?
Also what exactly is the difference between a bug and a sorcerer? (It’s a joke)
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