Nice try Furious;
The full quote of that paragraph from ChefRef77 is:
And if you have to farm weeks for a piece of gear to pass the upper tiers because only 1 or 2 builds can do it, that’s also a build diversity issue, just applied to the endgame. Not every build should be able to clear at that point, but we’ll put together builds with half a sense of synergy ought to be able to do it, just not in 4 minutes or less, which is what everyone expects.
Misconstruing & misrepresenting my statements out of context? lol
Typical playbook once again huh? I saw this from the Shills at amazon studios New World forums when I broke the story about their Auto Ban Fiasco.
Again I ask;
Please, enlighten us all as to what makes your opinion such an end all, be all source of accurate, reliable & correct information regarding non-public drop-rates!
I think I’ve had about all the crazy I can handle out of your constant editing of posts to try and make it look like you’ve got some sort of high ground.
I will say there was a tweet from… I’m bad with names. One of the D4 guys. Anyhow, the interaction was basically -
“Hey, I got 2 Tempest Roars since the barbarian unique fix, is this a result!?”
And the D4 guy responded with “Congrats on being lucky.”
Roughly like that. I don’t have Twitter. I forget who linked that to me.
You misinterpreted, people expect to clear NM dungeons in 4 minutes or less, not farm the item that fast. Nobody is interested in an A tier build that can still clear in 10 minutes because they consider those to be trash builds.
Again the people putting those build’s together with rare uniques need to realize the average person doesn’t spend 12+ hours per day playing the game. It’s not reasonable to spend 200 hours farming one piece in the game and those players have double or possibly triple that amount invested.
Nothing against build guides, but they make assumptions sometimes that players are more dedicated and can spend more time in the game. That’s just not the case and the people using a guide do so as a shortcut to enjoyment, which is fine but they should give realistic timeframes or advise what it takes to put something like that together.
Then again, back to build diversity which contributes to the problem. Grizzly Rage is the cornerstone that makes the bear and wolf builds go with the respective helmets being the enabler. The other ultimates are so bad by comparison that there is pretty much no reason to take them which leaves you one of two narrow paths to go if you want a powerful shapeshifter build.
For the S tier builds I am talking about there really is no choice, only the illusion of choice. Permanent unstoppable with an infinite damage ramp or a worse skill with a longer cooldown and no real perks, power or synergy to the rest of the class kit? The choice is pretty easy, farming the helmet’s unfortunately are not.
My apologies & thank you for the clarification regarding my misunderstanding!
That said, I think we have reached a sort of middle ground & agreement here on a few things;
1 being:
& also:
With these items “enabling” the builds as you stated & there not being enough viable build diversity at this time to sustain other options; Clearly the current timesink requirement is overtuned on these items compared to the lack of potential build alternatives.
Either the drop rates themselves or if there is character based, account based or other loot seeding then that/those algorithm(s) would need to be looked at, along with adjustments to tuning on the Class itself so as to enable other viable build alternatives.
With the current state of the Class, it isn’t exactly too much for users to expect to reasonably be able to play either of the two viable Class builds at some point before or shortly after hitting level cap, given the timesink involved in doing so until just recently with the current Nightmare Dungeon XP rate changes.
Once again these issues aren’t mutually exclusive nor do they invalidate each other.
As far as:
Isolated anecdotal reports of outlier incidents don’t invalidate the far greater number of reports showing the large number of users who at least perceive there to be an issue based on time invested & other received drops.
Nor does a Developer responding to state that the user reporting said incident was “lucky”.
I want more than 2 or 3 class builds to be viable. You have shapeshifter with it’s two paths of bear or wolf, nature magic with earth or storm and whatever the heck this companion tree is supposed to be.
I played a companion build with all 3 pets until level 90 that was carried by pulverize without Grizzly rage and it hit a wall between NM40-45. I had to math the hell out of the build and did reasonable damage, but crit overpower hits were capping just under 1 million and that’s not going to get the job done so I switched.
Back to the diversity issue. What paths we do have are extremely narrow because of the nature of the uniques required to power them. Druid has a fantastic kit with a ton of potential (not you ravens and wolves) but the forced synergy and limited power and workability of some of the skills make other paths much harder to play. Trust me when I say you would be more frustrated playing a clunky and inconsistent build like shred or trample (good on PC total garbage on console.)
There is no real pure option for any path whether that be bear, wolf, earth or storm, though storm seems to have some solid options it doesn’t rise to the level of other build because it’s ultimate feels more like a spring rain shower and less like a cataclysm. Earth I suppose bulwark is about as good as you can get, there is this niche boulder build that costs 60 spirit per cast but that seems crazy to have a skill that expensive as you main damage dealer.
To me Druid feels incomplete, but from what I’ve read elsewhere we are not alone. Necro and Sorc paths seem even more narrow. Rogue as well, is there even a raged option?
Here is hoping seasons add a bit more flavour to the mix. My thinking is that is their intent, but not sure how that’s going to go over with the more casual crowd who seems to be their target audience with the base game, but doesn’t really want to invest the time again into seasons.
Until then I’m content to grind out the clock on Druid and maybe play the class again around season 3 or 4.
I too am hoping that all the issues we are experiencing this early on have solutions in the works, even if those solutions take a season or few to get out!
If someone has to spend an inordinate amount of time trolling people over the same topic repeatedly over the same item, then that points to a deeper issue with them rather than others voicing legitimate grievances regarding a flawed loot system.
You repeatedly broach the exact same topic, with the exact same responses, often done in a taunting manner and summarily dismiss any criticism out of hand.
And you do this literally almost every single time you post on here, which can easily be verified by looking at your comment history.
The fact that you think this is a good use of your time or that you’re accomplishing some unknown weird obsession is not only sad but downright pathetic.
“In slang, a troll is a person who posts or makes inflammatory, insincere, digressive, extraneous, or off-topic messages online or in real life, with the intent of provoking others into displaying emotional responses, or manipulating others’ perception, thus acting as a bully or a provocateur. The behavior is typically for the troll’s amusement, or to achieve a specific result such as disrupting a rival’s online activities or purposefully causing confusion or harm to other people.”
See Wikipedia article for: “Troll_(slang)”
So I would say at this point, most assuredly yes you are.
EDIT: I am going to disengage & mute you now Furious, for both of our sake.
I attempted to have a good faith conversation with you on the topic, & you have done the opposite of that effectively since the start.
I wish you well, thank you again for playing & I hope you get help!
Because it’s the same whining over and over. First the Barbarian uniques were a problem. Oh no! The items that have no impact on my helmet drops are a thing! Tried explaining that a few times to no avail. People thought that once this was fixed their Tempest Roars would just shower on them, but when they didn’t then surely the loot table or the item must be bugged in some way. Yes, I dismiss the criticism. Not my problem if people want to stick their fingers in their ears and la-la-la me.
Probably because there is a lot of the same crap repeatedly and it gets old. Do I respond with sarcasm or snark about it? Absolutely. No one wants to read the hundred other topics about their Tempest Roar not dropping, so they make another thread about it instead.
It’s a nice break between dungeon spamming. Reply to a post here and there.
The drops aren’t bugged. The item isn’t bugged. A rare item is rare, and people complain about it constantly. If you try and explain it to anyone, it’s a lie. If the bug is “confirmed”, the confirmation doesn’t exist or can’t be provided. I’ve said it before and I will say it again: Provide the confirmation of it being bugged and I will apologize and eat crow. 100%. I haven’t balked on that. Linking the fireside chat where the devs specifically say “Druids are (then) getting barbarian drops that only barbs should be getting” isn’t a confirmation. It just meant they were getting some barb drops.
Keep beating your head against this wall. Go for it. That’s on you guys. Call me a troll. Insult me. Have at it. I don’t care. I did try and explain it multiple times, which as you said can easily be seen in my post history, and after trying multiple times I guess I got tired of it somewhere along the way and started responding but in a more negative manner about it. I’ll apologize for that. Here and now, I’m sorry that I was negative about with my responses about the drops.
I have stated that I understand the frustration of not getting an item you are hunting for, to be sure. I’m not disparaging that part. Been there, done that. The overall attitude of people thinking the game is broken or they can’t progress or play or do anything without that item? That I will huff at, because that just isn’t true.
So again, I’m sorry for the negativity, but I’m not sorry for ever trying to explain that rare items are just rare.
Let’s address your response (or at least some portions) one piece at a time.
Again I ask;
Please, enlighten us all as to what makes your opinion such an end all, be all source of accurate, reliable & correct information regarding non-public drop-rates!
I said it was stated around the time they talked about the Barbarian Drops on Druids.
Once again, misquoting me out of context to suit your false narrative.
If you are unable to focus on the stream long enough to find the relevant portion, maybe you should watch smaller sections at a time to make it easier for you.
At this point I am sure even if I did waste my time typing up a direct quote with timestamp for you, you would still intentionally misinterpret it & try to claim it meant something else.
I am definitely done beating my head against a wall by trying to talk to you after this last post.
Clearly you have 0 intention to hold a good faith conversation on this topic & only intend to downplay, dismiss, disregard & disrespect the issues of other users by Trolling & baiting arguments, then claiming to be victimized.
Multiple users reporting repeated drops of the other available uniques for a class after extensive playtime (even if YOU don’t think they played enough to deserve it) without seeing a specific item is a clear sign of an imbalance.
I usually love low drop rates in other games since trading is available. If I can’t get an item farming my way I try another avenue that provides value but can’t do that in D4
Just dropped my first Tempest Roar, lvl 88, at the end of the NM lvl35 dungeon, i dont remeber the name of it, but its the one you have to get 3 round artifacts to some kind of altars, and the second stage you fight a boss that drops venom pools on the floor.
I actually dropped a Temerity unique pants with bad stats first, in a event inside the same dungeon, the tempest roar dropped at the end.
Rng is very unfair, im not going Wolfnado and dont really need it tbh. Im looking for a decent Fist of Fate but cant get one.
Actually just wanted to say that I’m not sure what is worst now.
I’ve been coming to forums to see others in the same plight as me, and also to find hope in those who managed to get their TR.
but always the one/two guy, who spends his time responding to almost 50% of the posts and claims he is enjoying the game but always on the forum.
I’m not sure which gives me a worst feeling: the game not giving me TR or seeing one person constantly posting and being very sure of himself.
I somehow resigned to fate and go do my silly grind, still hoping than coming here and see someone constantly telling people what is right.
I’m over the 250 hour mark in game and well over 600 posts myself. I’ve also got time to do both in my life right now, but come the end of Summer I’m in an intensive 14 month training program to change careers. This is my break time and video games are my passion.
Everyone’s life situation is different some people have time due to disability, some people can only socialize on platforms like this due to some form of social anxiety.
And some people also do it for the entertainment value. Just as you would browse any social media site and participate you could consider forums kind of a quasi social media platform as well.
If it one thing I have learned in life it’s that people come in all sorts of shapes and sizes with wildly varying interests and hobbies that intersect in places you would not expect. The anonymity of being behind a keyboard makes people be some whoever they want to be, whether or not that’s a healthy thing is another debate for another forum however!
My only question is why does it matter to you so much?
What on earth could possibly justify wanting to so badly spend so much time and effort for the sole reason of tripping people while they try to air grievances that could actually improve the game?
When I put myself in your shoes, I want to fling my laptop across the room and go hit the gym because of the sheer revulsion it causes me to think of spending this much mental energy to the point you are clearly aggravating yourself, and others on top of it.
You had an opinion to people’s opinion, sure all fine and dandy. However, once you made your own opinion clear, making it a sort of crusade doing the exact same thing over and over isn’t healthy.
And lastly, people are well aware that loot is rare. But literally every single ARPG out on the market has either some sort of bad luck protection baked into it or some means of targeting let’s say the helm slot in the case of Tempest Roar.
It’s not unreasonable for people who have spent 200-300+ hours on the game to want a better investment return of fun for time spent.