I felt like that with D3. After playing a lot in a single season, I realized there was very little depth.
If I contrast D3 with PoE, it becomes irrefutable to me that even the ‘illusion’ PoE provides via ‘options’ still adds intricacy. I’ve only ever copied one build completely (think I only got this aura-bot to 88 or something) but between making a new build, interacting with new seasons (many of them were just bad) and progressing through maps, I’ve always felt like there was a better/new way to do things.
To me, that potential is the depth. Perhaps this assumption is incorrect, but I can see why someone who doesn’t experiment would feel like there’s no depth.
My primary gripe with you is your initial comment:
You did not make any caveat to this judgement.
I haven’t played PoE in at least 2 seasons so it’s far from a perfect game to me…I just think your initial response to me was incorrect hyperbole.
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You won’t hear me arguing. D3, at least as it currently exists, has no depth whatsoever. POE has almost no depth, but slightly more than D3.
D4 has very limited depth currently as well. It has more than people think it does, but that perception is severely hampered by certain classes/skills that are vastly, vastly overperforming at the moment and making all other choices seem like crap.
But the core of D4 has the potential for much more depth than those other games.
I don’t know why you’re so quick to resort to ad-hominem and strawmen. I’ve experimented with POE’s skill tree for years. I’ve never copied builds. And 99% of the choices are all blatantly false choices.
Grim Dawn is GOAT. Shame Crate wanted to make a city sim over GD2.
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…That’s not ad-hominem. I clearly stated that the assumption may be wrong. Assuming you don’t experiment and making it clear it’s an assumption is a factor to how I’m perceiving your argument and nothing more. Until this post here, I had no way of knowing, so the assumption was warranted.
Also it’s strange how you make a point revolving around that when you were insulting people for simply daring to think PoE had depth.
Whatever. I disagree that they are false choices. Do you have an example of an ARPG customization element that isn’t false choice we can use as reference? Or rather, what do you believe is the epitome of ARPG depth from your experience?
Already played it. While it was fun it can’t hold a candle to D4.
Grim Dawns a good game.
the lack of anti cheat just killed it for me, I like having to grind for items and not be incentivized to just mod my entire character
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Go back to whatever dungeon you crawled from.
Let people enjoy the game they paid for. If you don’t want to play it, then don’t. But don’t come in here telling people not to play the game and play a different one because you’re salty.
“just play grim dawn”
yeah, did that for 1k hours, makes my joints hurt to just look at the game now
Still builds in it I’d like to finish, but for now I’m happy to try something new
You know nothing about graphics if you think Grim Dawn looks about the same as Diablo IV. LMAO.
And I already played Grim Dawn like 3 years ago, uninstalled it after a couple days. Didn’t impress me.
Nah game felt like it was made by amateurs. No weight to combat, bad music, weak sound effects etc. Glad i pirated it so it was like a 4 hour demo
It’s just an indie game, people give it way too much credit. Game doesn’t have the budget to compete with Diablo or even POE.
Grim Dawn looks like butt
I’ve been playing Grim Dawn on Steam since 2013, and my character build from almost a decade ago is still viable today.
There are also no official Seasons and all extra content beyond the base campaign comes in optional DLCs and/or free updates.
No Battle Passes to force player retention. You play when you want to, not being coerced to due to FOMO.
Unlike Diablo 3/4 and PoE, also no nerfing skills until your build is broken and useless. The devs want you to feel powerful, so they buff skills to make all builds good, unlike other games that nerf skills all the time to make your life miserable.
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GD is amazing at what it does well: character build options. It’s monster and boss design leaves a lot to be desired though. I have north of 1k hours in it, its really great, but Diablo 4 is undeniably better at everything else than interesting character builds
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so it’s updated less than d3??? lmao
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I have played hundreds of hours of Grim Dawn, but I have never once thought it was better than any Diablo game. Mostly because I don’t really like the setting that much.
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Or go play Path of Exile which has seen constant updates since 2013. Or Last Epoch which is just fun to play. There are a lot of good ARPGs out there.
Funny you should say that, that’s how I feel about Grim Dawn. To each their own.
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No thanks, I’ll stick to playing the best ARPG on the market (D4).
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Grim Dawn crashes infrequently when playing Multiplayer.
Then go play Grim Down. Like I seriously don’t understand the point of such posts. If Grim Dawn is so great (and I’m not saying it isn’t, but most here played it already to the bones) - then why are you wasting your time on Diablo forum?
Just play whatever gives you fun and we’ll play whatever gives us fun. Like it’s that simple.
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