Sorry guys, the damage and survability of minions just isn’t there.
First thing, forget bone spear spam while your minions tank past nightmare 60, you will just get oneshotted.
That leave us with the bone storm build, going full survability and lucky hit chance (the kripparian build) to proc the mendeln ring, but the damage with the elites having so much life just isn’t there.
I’ve almost full paragons (level 92) with all the minions related glyphs (mage, warrior, deadrider and golem) all level 21.
I’ve been working on some variants using the shadowblight but still, even with procs ecc the damage from minions just isn’t there. Also they get prety much delete by any aoe poison/fire/lightning around, even with 500% bonus minions life.
The best i could clear was nightmare 62 it was a pain
consider this before you invest lots of time into a minion build. just my 2 cents.
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Just go corpse explosion minion build- you rotate tendril aoestunvuln and iron golem aoestunvuln with icemage blizzard freeze vuln. Use the correct glyphs and paragons to increase pet damage 100%(x) and then your flesheater corpse explosions with crit/stun/cc damage bonus will hit for 500k-1mill or more. You’re rotating so much CC the pets rarely die to anything but fire enchanted elites which we all know are overpowered right now- sometimes you might have to kite back for those. Otherwise, this build shreds. No need for spenders.
Iron Golem
Corpse explosion (Howl from below)
Skeletons (Reaper, Frostmage)
Corpse tendril
Decrepify
Army of the Dead
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The average player would never touch lvl62 nightmares. On PlayStation I have an award for clearing both a sacred and ancestral sigil, only 5% of players have even gotten that far.
can you have a video or something, i wanna see you working it past level 65 nightmare.
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The average player isn’t no-lifing it like we are. They will get there, and they will copy builds that people post. There are a lot of trash builds circulating out there now from people who play nightmare 10-30 and think they have a strong grasp of the current meta (they don’t).
I don’t have recording software or tbh care to- just try the build. I can send you caps of my stuff- you can regularly kill mobs 15-20 levels higher than you np. Just higher risk of a 1 shot for some things if you’ve got that much of a gap.
You dont get the point.
1M of damage is nothing 65+. don’t even want to immagine 90+
if youre doing 1 mil dmg with CE youre not a minion build anymore imo
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I love how everyone is like just use corpse explosion because your minions don’t do damage. Then you are a minion build.
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The minions do respectable/average damage if built up- it’s not on scale with spells but the real issue is that their survivability is too low.
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alright, lets talk numbers - how much damage does one of your skeleton warriors do with a single hit?
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50-100k-200k on crits using mendeln or deathspeaker. it can go higher- i’m not full minion spec. 100%(x) pet damage.
As for your comment about “1mill is nothing in tier 60” you’re simply wrong, especially when you’ve got a near endless supply of corpses you’re railing that off practically 3 times per second as AOE and no cares about managing essence. I don’t know what enemies you’re claiming in tier60 aren’t dying to that- you’re wrong.
ok dude but show me a vid of you clearing 60+ with minions.
so you need 5 minions to do max crit dmg while mendeln is also triggered to replace a single corpse explosion - how often does that happen?
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Are you too lazy to read what I’ve already written or are you going to just make random claims that have nothing to do with what I said?
OBS Studio is an Open Source and free of charge recording software.
Easy to install and use.
It’s not hard to record a nightmare run to prove your claims.
Even if you do endless number of corpses you detonate 1 at time - that is a problem
this is the issue with minion , survivability and no way for us to make our minions target what we need them too , ie the more dangerous elites , if they all run off attacking different targets of course the damage is low and taking too long to kill anything , we ned to be able to focus our minions on elites if we need or want to , trash mobs they can just do what they want as im finding they can handle trash mobs in the higher tiers on their own easily ,
all i can say is if they expect to sell me a season pass to play a sorcerer on a wheelchair they are terribly wrong. They had no clue when they nerfed minions in the beta cause of people level 25 complaining they were too strong.
They also did say anything about the problem yestarday in the diablo talk so they are basically unaware of this class problems.
im forced to play minionless if i want to go up nightmare 55/60, and that’s not why i picked up the necromancer
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There is no way they are unaware at this point. It’s discussed so often everywhere. If anything if there are no balance changes for it in season 1 it probably indicates blizzard sees them as only utility and wont support a minion focused build.
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