But honestly, that isn’t saying much. D3 was an utter failure in most ways, and only became playable years after launch. Even then, it was so much worse than D2, it’s honestly laughable.
D4 has its problems and desperately needs fixed, but D3 will always be a race car simulator where you only grind gear for the sole purpose of grinding gear more efficiently.
D4 as a foundation is in a great place, in my opinion. If I were a beta tester playing this version of D4, I’d think it was great, but D4 as a finished game is only worth a single play through, where you quit at level 70 and never pick it up again. The real issue here is the fact that we’re playing an unfinished game, as made apparent by the sweeping, rapid, gargantuan balance changes.
If the game was properly tested before release, we wouldn’t see so many balance issues after launch. As with all recent Blizzard products (other than maybe OW), we are all beta testers.
And of course, the main issues have been beaten to death here on the forums, like unique items being unusable therefore the itemization being nothing but rares and imprints, PVP sucking, the horse barely functions, there are no social aspects to the game at all, etc…
Despite all of its problems, I’m glad its nowhere near as bad as D3.
D4 and all Diablo’s before are exactly like that. You grind gear and levels, then perfect your build and keep grinding gear while being efficient with clearing times.
Do you think teleport spam up to Baal in D2 was something different than a D3 DH running around like a mad man?
Edit: Also I think D4 is by far not better than D3, it lacks basic QoL features in previous games, even in D2 20 years ago…
In D2 you had the economy to fuel further play. Finding a single item could make you rich, and which point you had enough to outfit an entire account full of characters. You could even dedicate some of them to PVP. There were also off-meta builds to try, even the potential to create entirely unique builds that worked just as well (possibly even better) than the meta builds.
D4 could do something similar, but when the only point in grinding gear is to get better at grinding gear, the game is just bad.
When I was a kid and rabidly played D2, I actually never once grinded for gear. All I ever did was PVP and trade, and I always ended up rich.
The whole point of the ARPG genre IS grinding gear. Trading is just a tool not the endgame.
I played all Diablo games as single player, with D3 being the online always exception and never traded once and the game itself tells you that grind for gear and grind efficiently is all you have to do.
Can you name QoL in D2 pls? I feel like all this time i was playing different D2, since for me D2 is a nostalgia, but the game design is too outdated and just is a pure crap.
And even at launch the similarities are there. I think most D3 players remember hitting Inferno and being stuck on Act 3 farming to get to Act 4 ad nauseum. Which is kinda what some players are doing now trying to get to Level 100 and get the gear for Uber Lilith.
D4 overall has a good core in my opinion. Needs a lot of refinement though. We’re basically in a Beta until Season 2 I am afraid.
I personally hate to play D3, it makes me fall asleep, but as it is D4 is nowhere near that quality except the story which is superb for a Diablo game. Too little carrot.
There is no way the game that eventually became all about sets that would give your main attack 10,000% more damage and every rune variant was ever good.
I agree. These are good things, though. I don’t mind them being in the game.
I honestly haven’t had any problem gearing or leveling in D4 at all, it’s just boring as all hell from 75 on. The uniques aren’t usable, so there’s no excitement at item drops, which makes the leveling process after 75 dull and more of a chore than anything.
Yeah, I can’t do it. I actually gave them money on kickstarter before it released, but I just don’t enjoy the gameplay. It feels like you have 3 shrines from Diablo on you at all times and everything within a mile radius instantly explodes with one click.
For sure. I wouldn’t debate that, but so what?
D3 has 15k people on at any given moment while D2R has 35k people on at any given moment. playercounter DOT com/diablo-3/ – And that isn’t counting D2LOD or the myriad of private, modded servers.
Lol, no you didn’t. You played singleplayer in a game where the itemization was designed around trading. You didn’t play the real game.
Honestly disagree, played some D3 this morning and enjoyed it more
The reason? UI and UX are just vastly superior, because they’re designed for PC whereas D4 is seemingly designed for consoles first and just ported to PC
D3 also has a lot of QoL features they just seem to have straight up forgot about, which would be absolutely amazing for D4
Not calling D4 a bad game, far from it, just want it to be better and i think working on the UI & UX is one of the most important things they could do.
Agreed! Love D4! D3 was fun to play through the 3 difficulties but then after doing a few seasons I was done. D2 is completely different and still allows me to hop over to there here and there to just loot hunt since it is so easy to do.
I love that D4 is completely different from all of them with the open world. Seeing people out in the world without doing the whole “Join game” thing. Having more options to do than Greater Rifts/Bounties like now can do World Bosses, events, Helltides, different levels of dungeons, lots of side quests, etc.
This is why I’m not playing currently. I have the top 3 chase stats on all my items, all ancestral, and all high item power. I have one item that IIRC is like 740, but I have absolutely no desire to grind for 30 hours to replace it.
I won’t find a Harlequin Crest. There is such a miniscule probability of finding something that I use, the entire notion is lost at this point. I could grind out more paragon, but I’m not interested in playing the game for the sake of playing.
It was a good run, and I agree it has a solid foundation. However, nothing keeps me playing and as it stands I have zero desire to play season 1.