I understand that there is a general attack speep cap of 100%, but the first 2-3 attacks of Frenzy seem not to change in a meaningful way regardless of att speed.
I’ve tested it in the dummy with and without the rapid aspect and there is no change to the hits of the frist blows. So far as I could identify, Frenzy is only useful to buff the att speed of other skills really, as you can reach the same att speed of Frenzy with other more powerful skills at the end game very easily (even if using 2h weapons assigned to it).
I mean, this is a classic Diablo 2 skill and literally the reason for its existence is to be able to deliver more hits than anything else with a Barb. As it is currently capped at the same speed than any other skill + it has the tremendous disadvantage that you need to land a couple of hits with it to build up that att speed, why does it even exist?
A simple and reasonable solution would be to add an expection to the general 100% att speed cap to frenzy at max stacks. This would even open the possibily of using the skill with creative builds (like generating dust devils as you build the fastest amount of fury in the class). Bear in mind that this is the only basic skill that requires dual wielded weapons, so it should prevent some crazy damage exploits in comparison to other basic skills.
I mean, they clearly at least though about it when they created the amulet, but it doesn’t really make Frenzy itself shine.
They certainly deserve credit for all the new variations to skills added through tempering, but let’s just say that “increased Frenzy duration” was not amongst their best decision of the last patch. I mean at the current state it really looks like a basic attack of D2 and not a basic skill, as it doesn’t really have anything that makes it different
Rogue with Flurry AS buff and Puncture Stike have more attack speed animation than full in attack speed Frenzy Barb.
They(devs) make Frenzy good only for Def buff, lol, for dps Frenzy is worst. Even fury gen on Frenzy is worst.
Caps and breakpoints in attack speed is a big FAIL.
And there shouldn’t be a cap, honestly. In the name of “play your way” and “build diversity” and all that jazz.
You are correct. But I would also add that the entire idea of maintaining some silly “buff” with Frenzy has always been stupid.
Exactly. But, Diablo 3 devs decided to make it a “Basic” skill and Diablo 4 has continued that theme. Seems they did not like Frenzy Barbs from Diablo 2. Regardless, you are again correct. It is one of the coolest, classic Barb abilities that gets ZERO respect. It’s only ever in the game as some “fake homage” to the old D2 players.
Add to your post the fact that Frenzy even has a Unique item for it… and it’s a unique item that is so scatter brained, it barely holds together as an item at all.
Battle Trance
[4.2 - 7.0]% Cooldown Reduction
[7.0 - 14.0]% Damage Reduction from Close Enemies
+[3 - 9] Maximum Fury
+[4 - 6] to Frenzy
Increase Frenzy’s maximum stacks by 2. While you have maximum Frenzy, your other Skills gain [35 - 45]%[+] increased Attack Speed.
Those stats are all over the place. it used to give more Basic Skill Damage, but they removed that for… reasons. But the fact that this item has CDR, Max Fury and the Unique affix says that it buffs the attack speed of OTHER SKILLS is clown shoes.
By the way, your idea of making DD from Frenzy already works really well, I made a build based on that idea. However, it isn’t any better than other Basic skills doing the same thing. In fact, I’d argue that the other Basic Skills make use of the idea even better than Frenzy does.
Battle Trance makes perfect sense, you are supposed to use Frenzy as a builder, not a main damage dealer. The problem is Season 4 decided that all Core skills should be useless, as well as stuff like Death Blow, while Bash gets to be the only skill Barb has that gets a 1000% multiplicative damage bonus from tempering.
You just crawl out from under a rock or something? Who uses basic skills like this… ever? You either have a Basic Skill Only build, or you have a Spam Core Skill Endlessly build. You seriously over there using your basic skills at Fury Generators at endgame???
Furthermore, Basic skills being viable builds in Diablo 4 has been here since launch. Go look up Season 3 Frenzy build. So, No… Frenzy is not only supposed to be used as a builder and not a main damage dealer. That’s a stupid statement.
Bash is overpowered atm, that’s true enough. But there is nothing wrong with Basic skills being viable as endgame builds.
All that being said, the things OP brings up as issues are real ones that will hold Frenzy back as the game moves forward. Bash and Flay will ALWAYS be more powerful than Frenzy now, in pure Basic Skill Builds and all three of the other Basic skills will out perform Frenzy while leveling up and using them as Fury generation until you can put them aside. So, as it stands there is NO logical reason for Frenzy to be used anywhere, and that sucks.
EDIT: Hey, Soda… I see you typing immediately, which means you didn’t even read what I wrote. You’re blocked, mate. Good luck with your ideas.
Jesus Christ, I said that’s what they designed Battle Trance for, but obviously Basic Attacks didn’t work out that way.
There’s a world out there where you use Frenzy in a Walking Arsenal Build, and BT would go a long way for stuff like Upheaval/HoTA/DB because attack speed is really, really good on all of those, but AS I SAID, WHICH YOU IGNORED JUST TO BE HOSTILE FOR NO GOD DAMNED REASON, it’s not gonna work out that way until at least they change how skills scale after a while. They also have to think about how much not being able to Temper Unqiues hurts them as well.