Is Everything Changing?

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Wondering why i am playing now,if all my char will be gone when voh comes out.aIs it a waste of time to be playing now or am i missing something.
I stayed on eternal this season because it was so short
I am having fun doing a deep dive on my characters.

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Same song every season but here I am, still grinding in season 5.

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Yea the whole middle finger to eternal players every season is mind blowing. Why even have an eternal realm if it’s just a seasonal realm?

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I don’t even bother keeping my eternal realm characters. I just delete them when the season is over. Same thing I did with D3.

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Kinda on you, if you didn’t realize that a seasonal game, would have big changes … seasonally. Eternal realm or not.

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In general it would be a wise assumption that D4 will continue to change until it goes into maintenance mode four or five years from now. It’s launched with a good foundation but much was half baked and will continue to be molded by feedback and meta.

I’d expect some more:

  • itemization overhauls
  • skill/paragon reworks and additions
  • major class rebalances
  • additions and changes to the gameplay modes: pits, helltides, etc…

At the least the above will occur as we approach each expansion. But most likely will occur more often.

It’s a live game that is continually developing. It’s a good thing. If you desire an unchanging game then best comeback in a few years.

PS in every seasonal game I’ve played ‘eternal’ is basically where characters go to die.

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Even if not everything is changing, my eternal characters are pretty much useless (this includes S0, S1, S2) in eternal.

So if everything is changing in expansion that will affect eternal, as much as I don’t like that, it really doesn’t matter because even now everything is useless in eternal at least for my chars.

They used to rock back in S0, S1, and S2.

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Big Changes. No, seasonal games usually have new content and items every season. They do not change every existing item and build and skill and passive and everything every season, forcing every player to start over from scratch. They add things, then you make minor changes to your current characters that you still play based on which is better, the new items or the old. That’s not the same as what they are doing every season.

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Because they don’t want to just delete all characters every season.

Would feel bad if everything was just gone.

But eternal is just there as a wardrobe for season memories, you are not meant to play or progress here

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Rod stated recently that they are planning on doing that going forward. So you might as well jump ship now.

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If this were true Eternal would be a graveyard, yet it is full of active players.

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I also skipped season 5 and have been playing some on eternal. I’m pretty sure they’re going to make every existing character and piece of gear we have worthless when the expansion comes out.

I understand doing that with the expansion, but the way they destroy old builds every season is disheartening. In D3 when I had a character that could clear GR100, it could always clear that even after the new gear and builds came out and everyone else was clearing higher GR. In D4 they just trash everything that was good when the season ends.

I have always liked keeping my characters and continuing to play them. I don’t play every season, so the way they keep destroying old builds will probably cause me to drop the game at some point.

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The game is changing every season (for better or worse, pick your poison) so thinking in terms of “is this a waste of time, should I wait?” would put you in a state of perpetually not playing a game you might otherwise enjoy. For “fear” of having to deal with changes.

Based on what we’ve seen so far there’s going to be some dramatic changes to the base game again, which means both eternal and seasonal, so you gotta learn to adapt once they come online.

I for one am going to keep playing, cause I find the game to be fun.

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Plus not everyone wants to play at a Seasonal Rate. Seasons are SUPER short if you’re really grinding and trying to min/max your builds. Most of us have jobs, some of those jobs require more than the standard 40 hours (but even 40 takes up a lot of your week) and responsibilities outside of our jobs.

Plainly put, some of us play Eternal Realm because the idea was supposed to be that we weren’t “on the clock” trying to force everything to be done in 90 days or less, etc.

Trashing everything we gain every season just forces that same timetable on us that we’re intentionally trying to avoid by NOT choosing seasonal realm.

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For fun, one would think? Don’t make a job out of gaming.

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There are times where I want seasons to be longer than usual but there are times where I want it to be short.

S1 - Definitely make that 1 month. I hated Barber heart.

S2 - 3 months seem fine.

S3 - 1 week is enough

S4 - I skipped this but since folks are saying S5 is similar with S4, so S4 and S5 should be 5 to 6 months combined.

S5 - see above. 5 months with S4

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D3 gear was built around sets, those are fairly predictable season after season. The game was also on life support for the most part.

D4 is a different animal. The itemization and build variety comparatively is off the charts, plus the seasons are an order of magnitude more impactful with game changes. What you want is not in the games best interest.

You are setting yourself up for disappointment.

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Why do you think K your characters will be gone with VoH

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This game is still in the process of stabilizing.

I understand that in d2r/D3 the eternal characters (non-season) do not automatically become obsolete. In D3, some seasonal items do disappear and a build depending heavily on it can still become obsolete once moved from season to non-season, but it is NOT to the extent of D4. But D3 is in the maintenance mode, so it’s not a fair comparison.

D4 was initially an incomplete game with many flawed features. They are slowly improving it and they are making some large changes. It will probably continue for a while. It doesn’t help that they are constantly nerfing/buffing builds. Until they somewhat stabilize, you have to assume that characters will become obsolete after season. A build that was viable just a few months or even weeks ago are now simply not playable and you gotta find a new build or farm a whole set of new gear.

Tldr: Gotta wait for game to stabilize. May take years. D3 certainly took years to mature to a somewhat acceptable level. Expect the same for D4

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This is a bizarre take. The game doesn’t have interests.

Blizzard has interests - getting our money. Players have interests - wanting to have fun. Different players have different ideas of fun.

For some players, Blizzard trashing builds at the end of every season kills the fun. It’s also unnecessary if the game is properly designed. Unfortunately D4 has been and continues to be a dumpster fire from a design standpoint.