Is Diablo 4 revolve all around Seasons?

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Get the game through the Xbox pass. Was huge fan of Diablo 2, disliked Diablo 3.
Currently playing through campaign and i’m at 46 level, playing on World Tier 2, as i prefer challenge and don’t like everything to melt in 2 seconds.
So far i like the challenge and that the speed is not zoom meta like POE a game i can’t stand because of s**** like this. That you don’t pay attention to any mechanics, just spam moving key and your 1 skill attack, and melt everything in less than a 0.5 seconds.

So before i get invested into this game i want to understand what the game and end game is all about.

Is it the same garbage speed wise like POE ?
Is it also the same garbage league/season simulator, where your start all over like a complete **** stick in infinite loop, cause the game literally forces you to play seasons, as they balance the game all around that, cause that’s the easy way and they don’t need to make permanent and replayable end game content into the game?

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Based on the questions you asked in the last paragraph I can safely say this game is not for you.

The game revolves around 3 month seasons with an option to play in the eternal realm where you don’t get reset but miss out on seasonal mechanics.

If you have even a half decent build in the end game you will be zooming and clearing mobs just like in POE. Eifficeny is the name of the game!!

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Thank you sir for the answer. You saved me quite a lot of time.
Huge letdown that Diablo decides to copy what POE is.
All the best to you all.

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I can stop you there. If you didn’t like D3 game isn’t for you itsm 95% D3 maybe 5% D2 if your lucky
100% the game revolves around seasonal play
They have an eternal realm which I enjoy but all new content well primarily new content hits seasons only
By the sounds of it D2R is what you want as new age Diablo isn’t for you

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NO it’s not all about speed like POE.
Yes it’s all about the seasons and having a fresh start every 3 month’s with all new builds and mechanics that is just like having a brand new game each season which is why it’s so much fun and evolving!

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D2R is well outdated graphics, gameplay, in every single possible way. Also it lacks the same Diablo 2 was lacking, aka endgame.
Also Diablo 2 ladder comes like 3 years after Diablo 2. And i didn’t play that as well, neither i was a fan.

Season/ladders/leagues, call them all you want is there, cause for the Devs is easier to make cheap content that way. I won’t even call them content. Also the easiest way to sell you stuff like that.

It’s also hide the lack of actual end game content in the base game, lacks of actual character progression.

This ain’t a hate thread towards season/league/etc.
Just wanted to know, cause so far i liked what i see, but found a thread that some people weren’t happy that the focus is all on the season, just like it it’s in Path of Exile, and the standard/Eternal Ream is totally ignored.

And decided to ask.
I get why some people like it. I just don’t.
It’s essentially a time waste to spend 3 months progressing in a character, and then that character to essentially been trashed, and to do the same thing over and over again.
I don’t like that.

For me a good season system is a similar to Black Desert Online.
Anyway i don’t want to change the game or anything or don’t want to s**** on anyone who like the current system, just wanted to inform myself so to know should i buy the game and should i invest my time into it, as i currently playing on Xbox pass on my PC.

Again the thing i dislike the most in POE is exactly leagues and the speed meta.
I don’t get why any game will try to copy that thing i’m better playing POE if i’m for that thing …

Anyway, thanks for the reply.

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Yes. (since they won’t let me reply if the reply is too short, I have to add this section.)

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Yes to both…

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When I started D4, I hated the idea of seasons. I am more a D2 player. I skipped D3 btw.

But somehow seasons clicked into me because I noticed in most games including D2, I am in the habit of always making new characters and trying out new builds.

I didn’t like the term seasons but the way I had been playing was actually more suitable in a seasonal theme. I just didn’t know back then that’s what I had been doing anyway.

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Thanks for the reply as well. Not a fan of this again.
And it would new game, if it actually be a new game, not just add few uniques, and buff/nerf some classes, and add 1 new endgame content/mechanics(i’m guessing is what Diablo is doing). It’s absolutely the same game, and you can absolutely do the same thing in the base game, and you will actually improve the game a lot more like that.
Also there is no fresh start. As far as i get Diablo doesn’t really have much trade economy, unlike POE, but even then. After a few season the price is identical to standard, as everyone learned the actual price, so you are not resetting anything.
Season in that way is outdated mechanics, and it’s easy for developer to make money, to make you spend money, and to “support” the game that way.
Instead of actually add proper endless end game content + proper character progression.
For me a good Season is what Black Desert have.
Anyway not hear for arguing and start a standard vs league thread.
Thanks again for the reply.

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Simply put: D4 = D3 all over again

The main difference is that D3 was a high quality product whereas D4 is a spaghetti code nightmare.

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Well that doesn’t make sense if D3 and D4 are the same. If one has spaghetti code, the other one has well, right?

I am glad I skipped D3 then because by playing D4 I get to experience D3?

Same thing with S4 that I skipped. Folks are saying S4 is like S5. So I get to hit two birds with one stone.

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How can you come up with that conclusion from what I just wrote? In my opinion that is the main difference between these two games.

The quality has clearly degraded over time and the devs have indirectly admitted that they are having problems with the way how the game was coded.

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As someone who enjoys D4 I agree with everything you said. IMO season resets are the biggest thing holding this genre back as they go against the entire purpose of a rpg. The way I play it is my main has went thru everything and I use my seasonal characters to get new things for him. Being able to reuse the same names over and over helps with role play.

These past two seasons there hasnt been much difference between the two realms as the new modes have been brought to both. And of course every expansion the new content is for the entire game. So you can just skip seasons if you want and only come back for the expansions like in other games if you want.

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Well i can say a lot of thing on the topic, but it’s a waste of time actually. They decide to take that direction to focus on the season, and literally copy the POE way, which for me is wrong, but while i love ARPG games, i’m also a C++ Devloper and I absolutely know and get why they are doing it.

That being said i don’t like when someone start lying and putting narrative that this is the nature of the ARPG, aka the season, when this is a complete lie.
This is a cheap way to make people think they are doing something new, when they are in a loop.

If we are talking about the genre, this is completely against it. You should create a bond in the story with your character, and not just trash it, and make new ones. Also the character progression, and so on.

But i get why they did it in here, as i see they have battle pass, which is easily done through seasons. Like in POE, but it’s a free game there, with their supporter packs, and other stuffs.

I prefer Black Desert Online approach, which is an actual modern season progression. It gives new player a catch up mechanics, XP boost, Rewards for doing the Main Stories, a easy obtainable gear that after that they can start the so call “End” game(it’s terrible in terms of PVE in BDO though), Season Pass, like the Battle pass with free/paid rewards, but Seasons were made permanent in BDO.
But they serve a purpose as a somehow of a catch up mechanics, and the game doesn’t focus around them. Also a good place to get some rewards and try new character.
But you continue in the Normal servers after you Graduate, and essentially focus on your character. But there is a lot more character progression.

The reason why i don’t like Seasoned focused game is they focus their entire development into it, and essentially dumb the entire game around that. Builds, nerfs/buffs/items, how fast/slow you level up, everything, and the game eventually become a simulator like POE.

Anyway this ain’t to hate on the game, to be fair i really like what i see during the leveling, and the Open World feel great. Would also be great if they implemented and actual end game around it. I think they nailed the camera view perfectly, the graphics are gorgeous, and combat feel good.
Thanks again.

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Yes d4 is absolutely a seasonnal bad game. All you do is wasting time in this game since after new season updates hit the characters become useless.

Just play d2r where seasons dont impact existing characters. Just fresh start like it should be.

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Agreed with all. I’ve been loving WOWs new expansion. I’ve been playing that main for ten years now and I love picking it back up and continuing that character’s adventures every time new content is created. But one thing to remember, both WOW and Black Desert Online are MMOs while POE and Diablo are ARPGs. Diablo has been doing the reset since D2 ladders and POE expanded on it further with their leagues. I wish that practice hadnt continued with D4 because it’s a HUGE turnoff to new players. SO many people I knew quit the game as soon as S1 hit because they had no interest in releveling again just to see new content. I’m sure the first expansion will sell well, but I think if they hadn’t continued the tired reset approach and made seasons more character progression based the game would have continued to grow its audience.

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My statement is a question and not a conclusion. Big difference. You said it’s equal, so is it wrong to ask such a follow-up question when you are the one who brought it up.

How can you come up with such conclusion when I am just making a follow-up question on what you wrote?

All you need to do is to clarify or correct your statement. No need to be defensive lol.

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Maybe I oversimplified then. D3 and D4 are similar games, not equal.

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Huh? Its just industry standards. Seasons has been a focus since 2015 in Blizzard. D2R is so stale that seasons were introduced to spice it up.