Well said sir, eat a big D Mike!
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I agree there are other ways to add pleasant surprises besides only loot. Loot is just an easy way to hold up an RNG-gated excitement / reward next to a time / effort gated one like leveling.
For me and D4, I’ll probably stop at level 100 and poke my head in to see if any new modes of play get added every few months. I enjoy leveling but not really loot chasing and uber bosses don’t really do it for me. For additional context, my primary RL hobbies have always been a bit of a grind with sporadic awesomeness (lifting, wrestling). Diablo 3 will probably have the altar on eternal which can scratch the plodding progress itch.
What an azzhat. If this game originally launched with all content and changes from S1-S3 and a loot filter they would of had a great game and launch instead they gave us the bare bones garbage they fed us.
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twisted our voices.
we were questioning about an unpolished product which took so long. game mechanics outdated.
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Maybe think of “why” players don’t want to do those things. It is not because they want “instant gratification”. It is because those activities are not fun to do, become extremely monotonous very quickly, and do not have an enjoyable end.
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*players have no patience when it comes to rushed, buggy, empty, and/or boring games and games that don’t deliver on promises.
Fixed it for him.
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oh yes, i’m not disagreeing with you, just pointing out one outstanding aspect of the game. still zzz
All I want is the game to actually work. Like when something says you do more cold damage, I want my cold minions to do more cold damage!
Reapers dont make bodies 15% of the time anymore.
Its been broken since the new season started.
My abilities and talents don’t do what they say and its infuriating.
Hey, guess what Diablo 3 end-game was?
Doing bounties and running rifts, constantly, endlessly. Maybe occasionally doing some of the uber bosses (although they weren’t really uber and died fairly quickly). That was your end-game, and you’d repeat that, ad-nauseum.
Guess what Diablo 2’s end-game was?
Constantly doing Baal and Pindleskin runs. Ad-nauseum, until you got bored.
So compared to both of those games, the sheer amount of ‘end-game’ available in Diablo 4 at launch was a massive improvement.
It’s literally the end-game.
Remember how when you reached the end-game in Diablo 3 you started getting Paragon points and could enhance your build beyond earning skills and runes? Yeah? And all the end-game activities started opening up, like higher difficulty levels?
Well that’s precisely what happens in Diablo 4 once you reach level 50. You start earning paragon points, you get access to the higher level difficulties that are locked off to you completely until you reach that point where the end-game starts and you unlock access to those end-game activities like World Bosses, Legion Events and Whispers, which you normally only get access to once you’ve finished the campaign, which ends around the level 50 mark (assuming you didn’t speed run it of course).
Yeah I love it to stand around a campfire to wait five minutes for an event to start that lasts not nearly as long as i waited. Such engaging endgame.
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Actually the graphics is great when you zoom in. I have a high end workstation with 256GB of Ram and an RTX graphics card - but during normal game play in high res zoomed out - the night time in the game is too damn dark and the day time, well it is bright but at least you can see better. That problem does not exist in any game, not D3 or any Blizzard game I played, and I been a Blizzard customer for over 18 years. So on graphics in D4, it definitely needs some polishing.
i dont have these problems at all. it sounds like a settings issue. you know you can adjust your settings right?
I’m obligated to remind people that D2 “kept us captivated for 20 years” only AFTER Lord of Destruction was released. Before that, the game wasn’t nearly as popular as people make it out to be.
How come you get to express what you think, and when I expressed my humble opinions I got banned? Not fair… the one and only thing we all wanted its for Blizzard to be great again, to have a great game. Apparently our Diablo IV neighbour “x of x” is not so found of humble opinions.
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Gotta admit, the morning after I did expect this post to get removed haha. But here we are !
VIVA LA RESITANCE!
And you’re totally right, agreed. I probably should have included that, but I was ranting 
I have no idea I am not a moderator. Ive had several posts taken down as well. Free speech doesnt apply here its a forums run by a business. They can do whatever they want.
I played Diablo 2 for years with no new stuff. Wrong explanation of D4 failure.
Failure explained as usual: instead of paying attention to gameplay, items, mf and pvp, just focus on what new generations ask for without realizing it’s not what they want for fun: everything easy, auto pick up, better graphics, low monster density, no trade, skins… Whatever.
FAIL.
I appreciate the level of articulation in your writing this. It’s hard to find other people who get it that deeply.
He absolutely IS wrong but not in the face value sense. Most players may want new content yes, but it wouldn’t take priority for most people. We want the content we already have to work better and make sense FIRST. I could care less if they add new crap. The crap we already have was steered in the wrong direction so horribly. Why would I want more of that? I want the existing stuff we have to be actually fun and somewhat challenging. And no, season 2 is not improving anything. It’s made the FUN of the game significantly worse for MOST people. The only people who don’t think so are the ones running BL sorcs and barbs, who also are okay with 1 shotting everything and no challenge or abusing glitches.
Had they have released a product that wasn’t in a BETA phase and had the appropriate level of content, people wouldn’t be so insatiable for more. This game even though it has a large world sized scale, turned out to only be like 1 or 2 acts worth of content from D2. The story was great, but actual content was REALLY diluted. They relied on basically only repeatable dungeons on launch to be an ENTIRE end game once people hit 100 and if that wasn’t bad enough, then they made it SIGNIFICANTLY EASIER to hit 100 later. What did they expect? They gave us not enough content to start, then made it even easier to do.
Well, that part is true. Gamers have always wanted more but in the past 15 years, it’s gotten extremely bad.
There will always be “those guys” who play video games 16+ hours per day, complete everything and then complain there is nothing to do, with their wisdom of “please fix!”
The other problem is that a lot went into this game expecting it to be Diablo 2 or Diablo 3 but better graphics. They forget it’s a different game. The same happened when Diablo 3 came out. People expected it to be Diablo 2 with better graphics. It took them a while to grasp that it’s not the same game.
Sad but true.
Which was absolutely best for the game. Streamers are one of the worst things to happen to games in a long time. So many of their “guides” have made many terrible players in many games.
It’s one reason I quit playing MTG. You’d go to a new venue, 19/20 people playing the exact same (card for card) deck because they saw some streamer talking about it. Nobody tried anymore.
From my many years experience with Blizzard forums, this is a combination of incompetent moderators to fake popular forum posts made that way from sock accounts which was a problem in a couple Blizzard forums I found… I cannot say for here at this time. But I’ve seen people who do that to get a bunch of likes and those same people are able to make 100% pure insult/troll posts and regardless of how many times you flag them, nothing happens.
Plenty of games out there are able to keep players engaged for hundreds of hours, without this “live service” model. (what a joke, drip feeding content as paid “expansions”)
A good game is complete at release, this Blizzard “team” is simply not able to deliver that kind of product. They focused on the micro transaction aspect and forgot to make a fun, engaging game. Now, they are a few months after release and D4 is 40% off. I give it a year max before it’s on life support.
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