papacracker you sure about overpower because you don’t overpower every single hit vs something like slow extra damage? You can keep them Slow/Vulnerable/Crowd controlled 100% of the time for every swing and triple bonus
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Would I prioritise Attack Power and weapon DPS or Overpower Damage? I’ve got 2 very similar weapons that I’m not really sure which one would be best.
2H-Sword:
2,389 Damage Per Second
-[1,911-2,867] Damage per hit
-52.5% Crit Strike Damage
-94.5% Overpower Damage
-78 All Stats
-189 Intelligence
-66 Damage to close enemies
OR
Scythe:
2,614 Damage Per Second
-329 Life On Kill
-58.5% Critical Strike Damage
-66 All Stats
-156 Intelligence
-63% Damage to Close
Also if it matters, Attack Power on paper with Sword is 10,529 while Scythe has 11,226. Both with inner calm. That’s 697 Attack Power difference.
There’s also other factors that make the gap in attack power bigger. At its peak Sword is at Scythe is at 17,806 and Sword is at 16,701 Attack Power. Difference of 1,105 Attack Power
Insight would be very much appreciated 
I know. Every 5th hit and every 15 seconds aswell as around 3% of your hits are overpowered. But thats enough. I currently do around 80% of a dungeons boss hp when I do Reap → Bone Storm → Corpse Tendrils → Blood Surge Spam… Not a single non elite survives empowered BS, most are dead with 2, there are a few that take maybe 3 or 4. Nothing survives 2 empowered BS except Bosses. Take maximum essence and cost reduction for more BS spam… and again with Iron Maiden I can permanantly spam BS, forever as long as new enemies come.
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No offense, but some of us are not talking about low level or open world content. Both can be done by pretty much any build. The real issues start to arise once you’re start pushing higher nightmare dungeon tiers, and blood surge will hit a brick wall at some point, even if “you’re doing it all right”.
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yeah the brick wall everyone keeps talking about is concerning, Im casually level so not rush and this this Famous Wall until more is learned LOL
I hit this wall today at 75 while doing a T25 dungeon. There is nothing I can do if I encounter a fast hitting mob that freezes you every second and if it also has vampiric, you’re completely screwed.
Changed my build 4 times today and everything feels really lackluster. Blood is the only build with some real sustain, but it has so many problems. Fortify drops off so fast in comparison to how slow it builds up, resource generation is awful (except for trash mobs with Iron Maiden), you hit like a wet noodle outside overpower. Not sure if it’s worth continuing as a blood Necro at this point
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Have you tried a bone spear build? It’s the current meta build, together with bone spirit, though the latter one is rather specialized on nightmare dungeon pushing.
The difference of bone spear compared to blood builds is glaring, I tried it out myself. The damage difference is just ridiculous (sadly). I’m really not trying to push people into other builds, in fact I’d love to have some variety myself, however I cannot simply ignore the harsh reality right now that a lot of necro builds just plain suck, especially blood and summoner builds.
I have been saving up gear for bone spear, but haven’t tried it so far. The videos I’ve seen show some insane damage, but the survivability concerns me. It looks like a glass canon build where you have to juggle all your skills and trying to keep your essence above 50.
Maybe 1h & offhand/shield is the play for blood. I don’t have a good 1h weapon, unfortunately.
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Well survivability is absolutely no issue until the really high nightmare tier dungeons since everything dies instantly For even higher nightmare tiers you need to stack damage reduction % on your gear, but that’s something kind of every build has to do. I haven’t noticed more survivability issues compared to blood builds (I did blood surge before).
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That’s good to hear. I was planning to make the switch tomorrow because I’m completely demotivated today. Bone Spears were hitting 200k+ in one video I saw, and this is without jumping through hopes like I have to do with blood.
Do you have a build guide you would recommend?
You can just use the one from maxroll, or really just stack crit, crit damage and max essence. Bone spear build really is no rocket science, it’s a super straight forward build without any major gimmicks ;).
That being sad, I did not want to hijack this blood surge thread, so we should continue talking about that one I guess. I played it up until level 82 to somewhat good success, it’s just the nightmare tier dungeons that are the issue sadly.
I am currently capable of doing Nightmare tier 50 dungeons on my blood surge necro. Damage is about 900k per overpower (so 2.7 million per cast). I don’t have any issues with damage but I do quite often get perma CC’d. Thats seems to be the only actual problem with the build. I have 15k life and 1900% overpower damage.
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its dogshi* thats my opinion. ye its nice in big pulls with useless mobs you can oneshot, once you meet a big elite pack its giga annoying, all skeles die instantly you cant survive in melee with their perma cc on every single hit and blood mist too long cd.
bad spec.
most blood builds dont use pets, they waist of time after 50+
Personally gave up on blood mist, didn’t see the benefit because so short. Other ways build resources faster
How do you get 1900% overpower damage?
Would you mind posting some screenshots of your gear? I’m at 800 % overpower damage and only hit for 120k with full fortify and about 7k life.
I had one of those winged jumping elites with the cold affix yesterday, and there was no way for me to beat that guy. Every 2 hits froze me, and then I was dead after my Bloodmist was on cooldown.
Edit: what do you guys think about Blood Surge with minions? Mages can generate essence for us. I tried it once, but wasn’t able to keep my minions alive in NM dungeons. Has anyone done this successfully? There is one guy on YouTube who swears by this build, but he always shows overworld or normal dungeon content, so there is no way to tell how good it does in T25+ dungeons.
Wish there was easy way to just share my character but the biggest things you need are:
-grasping veins aspect on a 2 handed weapon (this is your highest source of damage)
-overpower damage on weapons, gloves, and rings
-Sacrificial on your amulet (Sacrifice skirmishers, bone mages, blood golem)
-Try to get around 50% crit chance. You don’t need any crit damage because that doesn’t help the overpower but you want to get the 120% damage from grasping veins on as many overpowers as possible
-Get an amulet with +3 to tides of blood. This is an absolutely massive source of damage.
Thats basically everything I have that contributes tons of damage. Other than that just get every single source of health you can on the paragon board and put your dominance glyph on the blood begets blood board
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Thanks for the info! If possible what do you use for essence generation? Having trouble using anything else on my rings other than mother embrace and starlight
Really interesting post and alot of good advice coming from people, so thanks for that!
I play Blood Surge aswell, but have always wondered abit about the blood orbs, because;
I want to spam Blood Surge as much as possible and then i generate ressource from corpse/hemorrhage - But in the middle of everything i dont see blood orbs.
- Will u pick them up without noticing when you’re in the midst of battle?
- How do u weave in basics, to make sure you always have blood orbs buffs and how do u keep track of this the best?
- Do u stack aspects that combine the basic and core skills and make sure u always cast 2-3 Hemorrhage before Blood Surge? if yes, that seems counterproductive to me, when u just want to get the OP Blood surges going.
I find the blood orb kinda annoying to play around, but also know that its vital for the build.
Ima jump in here. Lvl 82 BS necro. Sitting at 1300% OP dmg with going off of Icy veins paragon setup and making sure to get all the extra nodes that apply the glyphs bonus.
The most important thing about this build is stacking Attack speed on your items with re-rolls and obtaining it from any source you can. Attack speed bonus from sacrifice and essence cost reduction. Hemo for essence regen and spamming BS along with decrepify, blood wave, corpse tendrils, and blood mist. Easy clearing T35 nm dungs.
This is what I found works best for me.