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The original implementation of RMAH in D3 was not only a good idea, but ideal for the game in the state it was at release, and ideal for any game that has a trading economy.

this is going to be hard for people to get, but the RMAH isnt what made d3 bad. it didnt make it GOOD either, it was just a feature, which protected YOU. Yes, RMAH wasnt a cash grab by blizzard, it was actually protection. it was the condom d3 had from the wider internet.

the idea is simple and makes perfect sense. any game with trading in it will inevitably have RMT in it. in d2 this took place on shady 3rd party sites that focused on hacking accounts, stripping them, duping items and selling everything, which created a host of issues:

  1. getting your account hacked and stripped isnt fun for the end user.
  2. buying an item from d2buyitemheredotcom and having it poof 2 weeks later wasnt fun
  3. buying a game just to get banned for RMT did nothing because people just bought the game again and still RMTed.

so an RMAH in d3 made perfect sense, and while it takes the brunt of the complaints when it comes to why d3 was bad, it really wasnt why d3 was bad on release, endgame, leveling, skills, everything was meh (a lot like this game) and the existence of the RMAH wasnt really something that affected it. because the RMAH was going to exist anyway, if not on a blizzard page, on some shady 3rd party page where you could buy items regardless.

thats the truth. people say the nice thing (RMT is bad, dont do it) but definitely dont follow that advice. how many times has a smoker told you smoking is bad and you shouldnt do it? yep. exactly that.

anyway, so after the RMAH fiasco blizzard really swung the pendulum hard the other way, and this isnt good either. no way to find trades and trades being so limited doesnt feel good. it feels restrictive.

dont give me BS about how RMT will pop up if you make everything tradeable and more rare, because RMT already popped up. so thats not really an excuse.

d3 had the pendulum too far into RMT is ok, and d4 has it too far into RMT needs to be gone at any cost.

no one wants to cure cancer if it means getting rid of music. even though realistically that trade seems like a great deal.

anyway, give us groupfinder and general chat so we can find trades easily.

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I think expanding trade would be fine if there was also a SSF flag.

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i would absolutely never play SSF under any circumstance. but people that want to play SSF definitely deserve to have a game mode that enables them to do so. i will always support a game mode for a part of the community that feels different than i do. i dont play HC but i would be on here complaining about the lack of hardcore if it wasnt an option.

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Nah. The RMAH was bad. I would like an in game auction house that just uses gold though.

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There were still rmt sites, always been. even games who sell currency themselves such as lost ark, have a thriving black market of real money trading.
And how they manage to be popular? Literally just have to be slightly cheaper than the official avenues, simple as that.
So this is completely false.

I kept reading the post expecting more arguments, but it stopped there? Damn

Yeah dude the only people happy about RMAH are blizzard and the select few who made a couple of bucks from it, no one else. Trading is fun. Normalized RMT is not. Let alone the fact that we have a ten year gap now, botters and gold farmers are much more robust. Million dollar worth corpas have full fledged businesses out of it (gestures at hellenwong)

This idiotic idea that somehow having an official RMT page would reduce these things is at the very least delusional, if not disingenuous.

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Would like to see a trading post where people post items and can trade for other items, mats, or legendary affixes; no gold.

Like a genuine bartering system.

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The next highest bottleneck after gold would become the unofficial currency, even if unintended by devs.

Probably the helltide mat.

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Keep it relegated to rares, legendary affixes and uniques, then.

Leave materials and gold out of it. Keep legendary’s bind on account to encourage people chasing items still.

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This would be ideal.

I can’t see Blizzard putting in a RMAH of even a normal AH in D4.

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D3 was bad because only one stat, one weapon, had value. And act3 was unplayable in the best gear. The rmah did not have to be used. It was an optional feature. If Bliz wants an ah, I would make it fully optional with solo self found and group self found modes.

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I really would have liked it better if it was more like the original battle.net where you load up the game connect to the server pick you character load into chat channels where you can conversate with other people on different game platforms ( like SC2 WC3 ). The open world would have been really nice if it was limited to 8 players or even 12 per game,do some pvp action or group all together and do the campaign/farming aspect of the game - and can do some actual trading with people ( uniques ). The RMAH was horrible at launch but it was a good concept if they left it with in game gold and not cash money. When D3 launched a majority of people were subjected to buy items on the RMAH to progress - i got stuck in A2 infernal and refused to buy any with cash so I stopped playing for a bit but went back later in the year. It would have been nice if they kept it with in game gold and not cash instead of scrapping it all together, they could’ve worked on it and gotten insight from the players instead of coworkers.

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I still have like a $4 balance in by account that I can’t do anything with that I made from that AH lol. I didn’t mind it personally but I get the detriment it can potentially cause. Trading is a hard one to balance because it always involves 3rd party sellers.

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What really made selling items bad in D3 was how rare good items was. Then have act 3 have mobs that could one shoot you when you start the act unless you had real good gear.

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I never understood why they removed the gold auction house when they removed RMAH. Seemed like a great idea.

Probably wouldn’t matter now though, seeing as gold is a joke in D3. Characters sitting on billions.

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meanwhile i am getting spammed with RMT friend requests with advertisements in it. i report and block them, which the latter does not work since the same accounts have been spamming me for over a week. blah. remove the ability to trade gold/items and kill RMT all together, thanks.

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Honestly?

I never disliked the RMAH. I know a lot of people did, but I thought it was fine. I just sold the stuff I didn’t want/need and used the money from that to buy stuff I wanted. Iirc I think I spent like a total of $20 on one of those balance cards, and that was it. I was actually disappointed when they announced they were going to remove it.

But I guess in my defense, it makes sense I would feel that way at the time. I was younger, had way more time to play games and basically lived on D3. I was making money playing a game I enjoyed lol. Who wouldn’t feel sad to see that go?

On top of that, it felt integral to the game at that point, because with how vanilla D3 was designed it was (which is why they had to completely rework the loot drop system w/ Loot 2.0).

So idk. With hindsight idk how I feel about the RMAH. I’m more cynical of companies than I was back then and I def don’t think I’d be as open to a similar concept in a modern game. I don’t think I’d trust them to not try and make it ultra predatory…

I didn’t understand that either. I had hoped that was the move they were going to make, but they didn’t and to this day I feel like it was a missed opportunity.

Also you’re right about everyone being billionaires lol, but I think if they had actually balanced the system and cared about it, things could’ve been different. D3 doesn’t really have a gold sink because the gold AH got removed and nothing else took it’s place. It’s essentially worthless.

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RMAH was a HORRIBLE idea and detracted from the core replay value of the FRANCHISE… “treasure hunting.”

Had a friend who spent $400 on DH BiS gear shortly after RMAH hit, and then he quit the game 2 weeks later, because he “had nothing left to do.” He didn’t come back until ROS. RMAH didn’t protect players, it made P2W more accessible to little kids with their parents credit card.

Its the same argument people are making RIGHT NOW about D4 itemization, saying that when they hit 100, they have nothing to do because they’ve already gotten the best items. Why would you compound that issue?

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Rmah was weird I made maybe 50 euro from it, but the D3 was so bad. I was farming act 3 with sorc to kill all the elite packs in act to get MF buff for boss. It was exhausting.

I would like to see gold AH in D4 it would be great. Its so hard to get good 815+ weapon also the uniques are pretty rare they should be on AH.

Jsp or traderie nothing works noone is there selling or buying only some service maybe on jsp but not much the items.

I dont know any discord trading channels.

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I don’t care about trading. All drops should be earned through hard work and playing the game. Trading should be completely removed and all drops bound to account. That would also get rid of RMT. Anyone that says otherwise has something to sell you on a shady third party website.

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Here, “how to tyranically impose your point of view and send to jail anyone who thinks otherwise”.