As of now, it’s not really just “the grind”. Core gameplay is boring af and I am not talking about following questline or killing mobs, but the build progression. Lack of diversity in actually creating a build you want due to over reliance on aspects that are RNG dropped. Itemization is boring af because all your focus in the bigger % you can get on certain stats.
The wiki is wrong. But if you’re so sure that there’s no limit, you could always share some footage of someone above 20000.
The main reason most people don’t talk about being max level in PoE is because most builds are fully online by level 50 - 68 and get their last major power spike at 85 - 90 but really at around level 70 - 80 your character is at a level that they can do just about anything you would want.
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I D3 a lot since release, I know the paragon system and after a specific point it isnt that impactful, also the paragon points are shared across chatacters so there’s that.
Im not saying the D3 system is great as infinite paragon points was very bad, but you get to endgame much faster than D4 in just a few hours if leveled correctly. There is no fast way to do that in D4
It’s ok if you don’t get to max level every season. How many people got to lvl 99 every D2 season?
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The fact that they make it difficult to get to max level is a huge let down for a game. I hope we see changes to seasons coming.
Season journey will have XP boosts. Season zero is supposed to be slow. If everyone can casually hit max level now, they might as well not give any boosts during the season.
They did this for wide appeal to sell the most copies.
All the MMO features are slowly going to get abandoned by the devs. This is an ARPG to them.
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This is a bandaid to a problem.
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They’re not putting boosts in because people are complaining it’s slow. It was always the design. This was announced months before release.
this is the current baseline from which the seasons will accelerate from.
Leveling is secondary, it’s a product of playing, not the reason to play, it’s like poe or d2, most will never hit 100 ever
I have completely finished multiple seasons in poe and i think the highest i ever got was like 92
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What about exciting items start dropping at some point? Once every hour would be nice.
I was starved for exciting items during the whole time i played D4.
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Yes.
The problem, as with many of the complaints, is that the game was designed to attract a lot of people who would not touch an ARPG but who like MMOs, and those people see max level as “when the game begins”, so not being max level is fun-destroying for most of them. Time to max level is a key obsession with MMO players, because in MMOs the leveling process is a sidelight, and the main game is gearing at the level cap. As you say, this system of a very hard to reach level cap is normal in ARPGs, but they marketed the game to a lot of MMO players, and these players feel terrible that they are taking so long to reach max level because they are MMO players and not ARPG players.
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Yeha if they don’t increase XP gains and Mob density then what’s the point of playing Diablo? It’s like the Devs never touched a Diablo game before.
Doesn’t help D3 followed the “max level and then game starts” formula, so if you didn’t play D2 or poe that’s what you’re used to
NM dungeons are getting an XP boost pre season and the free part of the pass comes with xp boosts, we’re in a lull state atm
NM dungeons don’t help the leveling process of 1-50 when a season starts. So there goes that argument. Plus, I doubt the free battle pass has decent xp gains. Pay to Win it is.
there is zero p2w
and 1-50 is fast
People act like D2 max level was any faster. I feel like people hit 100 in D4 way faster than 99 in D2.
Yeah, but seasons lasted much longer and many people dont play seasons without missing much. Personally I have only 1 lvl 90 character on the eternal server and thats it. Seasons arent for everyone and making them the main focus of the game with this kind of grind just doesnt work