I think current class balance is nothing short of atrocious, as shown by enormous gaps in Pit clears.
I believe the highest Necro clear is 127 (Rob or his friend, I think).
Barb, I think 115? Also, Rob’s.
For Sorc and Rogue, the highest I’ve seen on YouTube is around 100.
For Druids…not sure.
I am not sure how the Pit scales, but it must be exponential for health.
Going by GRs in D3, I’d imagine it goes up by roughly 17% per level.
If that’s the case, a summoner necro is roughly…
1.17^27 = 69x stronger than a Sorc/Rogue.
I think this kind of margin of error is pretty horrendous.
If we look at Frozen Orb which was supposed to be buffed significantly this season, its highest clear is 87 with TWO uber uniques (Shako and Starless). Yea, freaking 87. Most Sorcs are resorting to Blizzard again, because the devs can’t figure out the math.
The devs are having tremendous difficulty in figuring out how each class can have a comparable S-tier build for even a single season.
I think the devs need to use a leaderboard to make an open and honest comparison across classes and tweak frequently as needed.
Since there was one for Gauntlets, I’d imagine implementing one won’t be reinventing the wheel.
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Devs can track that information without leaderboards.
It’ll just encourage players to exploit and cheat. As with any competitive mode.
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They’re gonna do that regardless.
Right, but then it’s for those who want personal gratification. With leaderboards it’s also for those who want to be exhibitionist about it.
Reduces the appeal.
I wouldn’t trust the devs. They tend toward laziness as evidenced by half measures they’ve taken like mindlessly nerfing vogue builds to the ground rather than trying to intelligently balance them.
We need an objective tracker so that players can voice their concerns. Otherwise, these lazy devs will never bother fixing. I bet they’re not even tracking the clears right now.
A leader in the presence of exploits is not an objective means of tracking balance. Cause then you end up balancing around the existence of exploits and over/under tune. Almost like it is now!
I think it’s also a good tool for detection of exploits! the leaderboards can bring those issues to the limelight and encourage the devs to fix them! Furthermore, in D3, the leaderboards were used effectively. I see why that shouldn’t be the case in D4.
For example, there have been plenty of cases where leaderboards were wiped clean when exploits were detected and then fixed. Why not do that here? Laziness or incompetence? Or perhaps both?
D3 on Nintendo Switch would like to have a word…
You can’t solve problems everywhere. Not even attempting a solution selectively just because you can’t find a universal one sounds like a lazy excuse for a multibillion dollar company.
I’m not really a competitive player but I liked the grift leaderboards in D3. They made the grind more fun and meaningful to see how you progressed and stacked up. I think the Pit could use a leaderboard moreso than those challenge dungeons.
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agreed
there should be leaderboard for pits sorted by class with full armory