The fact that players are not 100% against her is a testament of how well they wrote story for her.
And it shows how real world evil can convince normal people to follow them.
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What it actually proves is that Blizzard writers are lazy. That was their best attempt to give the justification for hunting and then killing Lilith the whole game.
Yeah I know. But its blizzard. They have knack writing plots or did, and then there is that one lady who wanted to game of thrones warcraft by killing people like ronan. But none of the plot lines are deep. If it was as deep as say Malazan book of the fallen, it would have been amazing. But I expected cartoony from the start.
Ill admit I didnt expect it to go that way right from the start. But What I am glad is they didnt continue the romancing the devil theme that shows, movies, and games have been trying lately. Making the villian seem âgoodâ when they are flat out not.
No, she isnât evil. She never was. Her goal was always for humans to awaken their nephalem power and to take the war both to Heaven and Hell to defeat them once and for all. It appears though she may have wanted to take Hell for herself. I donât know why I hounded her as I did. I didnât like that I killed her. I never would have made that decision.
Her character was lost somewhere in the narrative and the ending conflicted with everything we know about her and what we kept being shown. She could have killed us all at any time, but she didnât. I think she wanted our character to continue to become stronger and awaken as a nephalem. She was angry at Inarius for weakening humans and denying them their birthright. The story started to fall apart half way through, as if they just had to cut out all of the nuance and plans to make it a generic evil demon we must kill at the end because itâs Diablo.
Meanwhile, my character decided it was better to accept the blessing of all three prime evils and work with and believe Mephisto. There was so much wrong with the narrative, but I could see all of the hints that there was so much more in the background. They just seemed to drop it at some point and rush is to the end.
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What Diablo needs is not the salvation of angels or demons, but a person like Kratos to lead humanity to break free from their influence. So, eliminating all of them is the best choice.
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Like Zoltun Kulle and others, but we keep killing them all because they just want POWA! Of course they do. They want power to stop being at the whims of horrific demons and domineering angels. Humans will never learn though. If they did, we wouldnât have any more Diablo games, so there is a reason for it.
Mephesto is on the lose though. So thats not true
Lilith is evil. Her hatred is only focused on the Eternal Conflict and her father Mephisto at the moment, who thrives in the whole affair. All Lilith want is for her to be the winner of the conflict as much as Inarius wants to go back to the High Heavens using humans. Whole point of the story is that neither side cares for the humanity, all they see is the hindrance/tool to achieve their goals. Lilith is fine killing people, even keeping some tormented in permanent near death state. Inarius sees the demon spawns in humanity for the most part and a tool to his re-entry into the High Heavens.
If Lilith was to get what she wanted, thereâs no telling what she would do to humanity that arenât her fanatics. Only that all will be hell as her own nature demands.
Lilith is literally the daughter of a pure Prime Evil, Mephisto.
As a demon, her intentions are unquestionable. Sheâs evil.
Not to mention, she was in the process of amassing her power, thereâs no telling how she wouldâve behaved if she had actually subsumed all of Mephistoâs power.
Iâm guessing a literal Hell on Earth (Sanctuary) wouldâve shortly followed after she hunts down where Baal, Diablo, and the Lesser Evils are, and consumes their power too.
Iâm rooting for Mephisto to destroy Sanctuary now.
The direction of the story saddened meâŚ
Inarius had his head lodged so far up his jerk that he became an ouroboros of arrogance. That said, I honestly believed that Blizzard was going to pull the rug out from under us and establish that it wasnât actually Inarius whom killed Rathma, but MephistoâŚpushing the conflict between him and Lilith further knowing full well that Inarius wouldnât even bother telling Lilith that Rathma was dead before he got there.
Lilith seemed as though she was genuinely an anti-hero during her mournful words atop Rathmaâs corpse, expressing that she would have saved a place for him even if he never joined her causeâŚalluding to the notion that she was more than willing to wait, and hope, for his eventual allegiance.
With the two above thoughts in mind, I had seriously believed that the development team was going to lead us into an adventure where we were going to pick which of the two parents we sided with, ultimately climaxing within that conflict in hell⌠I really wanted a choice in that, even if it was ultimately an illusion of choice leading to Mephisto playing his hand and showing everyone, Inarius, Lilith, and the players, that they had been duped.
THAT SAIDâŚ
They could bring both Inarius and Lilith back down the roadâŚwe may still get that chance to align ourselves with one of the two parents. Inarius was either bound to the Black Abyss or rendered a mortal soul imprisoned in hell when Lilith tore his wings off. Meanwhile, Lilith was slainâŚand, like all demons, will slowly bring herself together again through the Black Abyss, as all demons do.
SoâŚthey could easily bring them back, and their attitudes may change.
Lilith may try her hand at a more passive role after defeat, deciding that if her children werenât going to embrace her wayâŚperhaps she could somehow guide them on their own path forward.
Inarius may finally realize that his place in the heavens is gone and that thereâs nothing he can do to change this, and turn towards his children to find some sense of peace in thisâŚmaybe through the aid of a returned Tyrael who sends us into hell to retrieve his fallen sibling.
We donât knowâŚ
âŚbut I really wish the story wasnât as straight forward as it was. I assume this was done to progress further along into what they have planned, butâŚI just wish there were some more twists and illusion of choice. The same ultimate outcome could have been provided while still giving us all the option to choose siding with Divine Daddy or Malice Mommy. I had hoped that it would have turned out that Inarius wasnât as big a jerk as we believed, and Rathmaâs death was Mephisto setting him upâŚ
Hopefully we see them both more as the story progresses in future installments.
By that logic, Inarius shouldnât have ever killed Rathma and the angelic host shouldnât be as big of jerks as they are. Keep in mind that they were deciding on whether or not to destroy Sanctuary and everyone in itâŚbut chose not to. Theyâre not âgoodâ by a human standard and are more than capable of what we would perceive as evil.
Therefor, it stands to reason that demons, albeit more stereotypically malevolent, could do things we consider goodâŚjust for their own reasons and within their own flavor. We know that Lilith was willing to slaughter innocent humans she deemed too weak to resist the battle ahead, but she showed genuine remorse over the death of Rathma and lamented over him not having the choice to join herâŚthen further showed what we would perceive as good in saying that even if he chose to NOT join her, sheâd save a place for him in the hopes that he did.
She said this to a corpseâŚwith no audience present. This wasnât an attempt to deceive, this was the genuine mourning of a mother who didnât care what decisions her son made, but truly wanted him on her side. This genuine love was further displayed when she scolded Inarius, an angel, for killing him.
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I liked the story but I totally hear your perspective and even agree with it in most (if not all) parts. I especially felt Lilith, Inarius and their dynamic was criminally underused.
That said, I honestly believed that Blizzard was going to pull the rug out from under us and establish that it wasnât actually Inarius whom killed Rathma, but MephistoâŚ
I found this really weird too. Inarius killed Rathma with Rathmaâs staff, but the key to hell was inside the staff and Inarius just left it even though he was looking for a way into Hell? It seemed very odd, random and stunk of âset upâ to me - except it wasnât, and all it was was Inariusâ first step in what he thought was fixing his mistakes. It is unfortunate too that that wasnât conveyed anywhere else until the final cinematic.
I hope they bring Lilith and Inarius back in some capacity though I fear the Black Abyss/Crystal Arch is closed to both of them since they forsook their places in Hell and Heaven. But it would be neat to see Inarius like Izual in future expansions since Lilithâs âYou belong in hell!â
Great Voice Acting by Inarius VA too.
Lilith⌠saving humanity through death and destruction everywhere she goes. She was not trying to save humanity but her own power hungry skin.
Canât cancel her anymore than killing her 
Itâs okay. You can just tell us that you skipped every cutscene after the initial church one. We wonât judge you.
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Indeed!
There was so little banter between the two of them when they created an entire race through their union. Even the climax feltâŚsomewhat detached, with Lilith showing the most emotion and Inarius just kinda lamenting over how nothing seemed to get him back into heaven.
Yeah, I suspect that he just couldnât sense the key because he wasnât from hellâŚwhereas Lilith, being of hell, could sense the subtle energies. Itâs also possible that Inarius simply assumed that what little demonic energy he felt was from his own sonâs corpseâŚrather than the key to hell hidden away in his staff. âŚbut yeah, the whole thing felt completely set up for a twist we never got.
I assume Inarius is definitely bound to hell. As for Lilith, Iâm not sure the Black Abyss works the same as the Crystal Arch, in the sense that you can be denied rebirth. Hell, itâs said in the lore that the Prime Evils didnât even originally rule over it, that their were other entities governing over thatâŚwho still dwell there. I assume that itâs more of a free for allâŚyou fight your way back to existence. That would make sense, from a demonic perspectiveâŚyou claw your way from a writhing wellspring of demonic essence struggling to coalesce and escape the clutches of others doing the same. Like a massive pit of bodies where everyone is dragging everyone else down in an attempt to climb over them and seek freedom.
Most definitely!
She was enacting Darwinism.
I didnât like that angle, as it downplayed her motherly intentâŚwith the notion that her more watered down children werenât as important, unless they could persevere, but that was clearly her goal.
Basically, the strong inherit the Earth because they will be the ones whom stand against heaven and hell. It makes sense, from an amoral demonic perspective. I have no doubt that it was genuinely her intent, between her lamenting over Rathma and appeal to us, as the player, to ultimately lead humanity. I have no doubt that she truly wanted us to join herâŚas we had proven ourselves strong enough to confront what was to comeâŚbut our character wasnât given the choice to agree or disagree with her ideals, or even challenge them and seek out a compromise.
Not that, from a character perspective, it would have been prudent to trust herâŚas the methodology she employed wasnât moral and had cost many we held dear their lives. It made sense we told her to screw off, but that doesnât mean she wasnât truthful in her goalâŚand everything seems to point towards the likelihood that she was.
Locking her into a Soul Stone would have been far more effective, as she still existsâŚsheâs just going to need time before sheâs returned. We may actually see her in an animal-like form in future installments, much like how her father took on the wolf.
Theyâre not wrongâŚ
She was cryptic in the details of her goal, but in terms of what that goal wasâŚit all remained very straightforward. The intent was to amass power for Sanctuary, both through herself and those within itâŚvia a form of Darwinism. The lesser evils were going to be fed upon by her children while she consumed her father. Being a demon herself, it didnât matter to her what humanity became through the actâŚonly that the strong came out on top to annihilate the eternal conflict and rule. The darkening of their souls was, in her eyes, strength.
She really did carry that through the entire story.
Itâs why Neyrelle even starts to question whether or not Lilith is, fundamentally, right and chooses to lock Mephisto in the soul stone while leaving Lilith for us to defeat. We see Lilithâs genuine desire when she mourns over Rathma and scolds Inarius for killing him.
Thereâs no reason other than genuine love for her to have said any of that. She was speaking over Rathmaâs corpse, without an audienceâŚand Inarius isnât the type to care about being scolded by a demon for wrongs committed against what he deems as the reason for his banishment.
I just honestly didnât think Inarius did it, I thought Blizzard was going to set us up into thinking it was him with Inarius just not giving a damn to challenge the beliefâŚbut it turning out to be Mephisto whom slain him the entire time.
âŚbut, it was him.
Iâm confused about Lilith too.
Like where does that bug tail end and the human looking stuff start? Her butthole?
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I totally agree and the only counter to this was the Horadrim saying shes trying to get power⌠And for what? I know she is a manipulator but whenever she explained her motives I was on board lol. There was never evidence provided that her goal against her father or eventually the other primes was for anything other than to re-secure sanctuary as what she had always wanted it to be other than Lorath mentioning that she wanted to seize control in Hell but hes Horadrim he has to believe that mission statement. Everything that happened to Sanctuary with the depowering of the Nephilim etc was because of Inarius not Lilith. She still seemed to believe in the vision of a fate outside of the great conflict. Elias did too. He explicitly states that he believed Lilith was the only thing that could stop the forces of hell. Hopefully he was wrong.
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If blood had to be shed to secure power to ensure that the true evils of Hell in the great conflict canât cause immeasurable more damage than she did would it be justified? You cant be at war and not have innocents die.
Iâm pretty sure her heterochromia is to symbolize the duality of her nature. She isnât pure evil and is clearly capable of love and caring(see Rathma), but she isnât entirely good either and realizes that only the strong have any chance of surviving or fighting back against the primes. She really is the mother of sanctuary embodying both good and evil as humans do.
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