But how is AI in our interest, if companies just try to save money with it, while not releasing games faster at some price, same quantity, lower quality. They just decrease their own cost until over time AI quality catches up to human quality, but why should we just eat the slop for that transition, if they don’t increase the value?
In the end as a player I also have self-interest to play good games. For me to buy AI games, there needs to be incentive in form of lower prices, more content, no MTX, etc. Otherwise it seems like a bad deal if I buy games at same price that are worse
No it’s not. Specifically in gaming we have a situation, where companies try to abuse information asymmetry to sell AI games at same prices despite having lower quality and way lower cost. There is no other way they can aim for 30% profit margins. Blizzard is known for abusing information asymmetry by having had their games exclusive on battlenet to hide player numbers in games that have a network-effect, i.e. in games where the value of the game increases, when more people are playing it (MMOs, esports, etc.) They changed that now for some titles, but not for all, and they still hide player numbers. Why would it be different with AI? I bet lots of CEOs are furious, because Steam wants AI-declaration for games
I don’t seem to grasp what you see as different. information asymmetry applies to what I stated as well, and is kind of a moot point to begin with.
Cost is relative to what the consumer believes the worth of something is at vs what the worth of the producer believes it is at. Costs can be profitable monetarily immediately, secondary, or tertiary. They can also have different values, economically, morally, spiritually, etc..
There’s nothing that says that not paying for people to work on art HAS to directly correlate to cheaper prices for said product; in the same way that getting distribution discounts doesn’t HAVE to directly correlate to a discount on following productions.
It’s similar to wage debates: does giving someone a raise mean they have to suddenly increase the cost of a game by 0.05? People would argue it should come out of profits, while others say it should follow traditional inflation / economic trends of cost increases.
A.I. isn’t free, it has a startup / investment cost, it still requires ( to various degrees ) paid human interaction, just like in any manufacturing plant with automated systems, just like with medical equipment, just like with a mechanic’s tools.
The costs associated with a product / service is entirely relative to what is deemed agreeable by all parties. There’s no real regulation or rule that has to be followed. If I find an antique bookcase in the woods that cost me nothing to make, am I obligated to sell it at little to no cost because of that?
Economics is really tricky, especially when sociology is involved. These are not new issues, these are very old ones with new faces / paint jobs.
AAA is not going to use it to our benefit willingly, for sure. But the benefits to small teams outweigh that because AAA will no longer be able to compete with them. Which is a check on AAA, and forces them to produce quality, against their wish.
You don’t understand what I’m talking about, if you think information asymmetry was a moot point. There is no other way to increase margins in a low growth market like gaming without decreasing costs, while keeping prices constant. Also, do you think they will reinvest the margins from xbox into games? Of course not, why would they, right now Microsoft is buying AI data centers like crazy, while investors are shakey and demand dividends. AI is only pushed so aggressively in gaming, because it’s seen as low-stakes, non-critical, even if it’s very bad for players, unless companies also try to give us better deals and improve the games, not just try to squeeze more profit while we get the same and pay the same. You bringing up ceramics is a moot point actually, because normal kitchen ware has almost 0% economic profit anyway nowadays.
They can, and they will, if we become smart as players, and inform ourselves enough to overcome this information asymmetry, so companies have to offer value in return that they save costs and reduce quality.
This is also where most of the conflict arises between A.I. and what A.I. is “replacing”. Same problems in other categories people have had to deal with for centuries when their livelihood is “threatened” with something new.
Artists don’t want A.I. art because they don’t want to be replaced, and their ego ( justified or not, I’m not judging ) is definitely pushing back on the idea they’re possibly inadequate when compared to something else ( in this case, a machine ).
I have seen some really good A.I. music covers on Youtube. Stuff we just wouldn’t have without it. Does it aggravate those artists? I’m sure many of them. Was there work subpar and now it’s been done better by someone / something else? Well, that’s debatable just like cover bands have done for years and years.
Are they entitled to having it not exist simply on the premise that a computer ( and a person ) did it? That’s a moral quandary of outcome, but not logically sound as fact.
Ironically, artists make art based on what they see all the time. Paint a nice view of your backyard? How is that different than A.I. making a picture of something based on another picture it was “fed” as information?
We copy, we extrapolate, we iterate, we make really questionable parodies of, other work all the time. Not a lot of compensation goes towards the original, and we just accept it because it’s been normalized.
Well, now we have A.I. a new dog with the same old trick, but suddenly it’s outrageous.
If we’re going to hammer down on A.I., we’re going to have to open that pandora’s box of niceties we ignore for our own self benefit. Artists don’t like A.I. “stealing” work, well artists need to stop “stealing” work then too.
The fact that WoWhead hasn’t published the datamine, and the fact that the Paladin was leaked in the datamine, suggest that S12 will be a second expansion, or there might be a Paladin Shadow drop in S11. If Blizzard legit shadow drops a free Paladin (this is cope BTW because I doubt it would ever happen) with the S11 launch, then that would be a big middle finger to the new PoE 2 league. Right now, the PoE fanboys are doing their D4 bad copium parade that they do regardless of how the Season looks, but no serious person is buying it, and Blizzard sounds very serious when they launch a season at midnight on a Thursday.
There’s also an additional factor that offense affixes/aspects can now drop on shields, like why all that love for the NECRO all of a sudden?
There is 0% chance they give pally away for free permanently. That is millions of $ not taken in. Paladin cements the expansion we all know this but they could have paladin also be released early in S11 as part of a preorder of their severely overpriced expansion. Im thinking it will be 79.99$ easy. This releases paladin on season and then expansion official release will have paladin on all realms.
Another option is that paladin will release temporarily on S11 for free. And then you will lose access to this paladin later and paladin will officially release on expansion so it generates all the hype and saves S11 while still cementing the expansion to gain pally permanently.
Def the more likely answer is that paladin is not coming. Im jus saying there is a chance. IT does line up and selling as part of a preorder would rake in hundreds of millions now and now is what they might want to take adv of.
Maybe angel will release as free hero or races will be revealed. Who knows. Something big is up though. They are saying watch game awards over and over. IT has to be big or we will have massive letdown and hype goes to negative 50.
I just saw it. I think even without the Paldin, D4 will be better off after S11. The new content in Fate of the Vaal, as well as the Druid, appeared very (for the lack of a better word) untested.
Yup I think preorder giving us paladin is possible. That would dial hype to instant 10 and make S11 success. They would be cashing in on paladin sooner than expected though but they still would have Diablo boss to cash in on later and maybe a hero pack with 3 heroes like witchdoc, monk, bard or something like that.
