Is anyone legitimately liking this new grind for every feature in the game? When even streamers can’t get stuff you know it’s bad. They took the worst part of leveling (imo glyph leveling) and 5x it. The masterwork costs are way higher than before, but they nerfed all ways of acquiring materials. Legion events used to give 900 raw hide and iron chunks, now they give 3. Im not joking, give it a try. Hordes rewards got nerfed and now you can’t even craft a key whenever you want. You’re forced to do pits to get keys, but the drop rate is really low. Same goes for the undercity, we’re forced to farm keys just to do an event that gives mediocre rewards at best.
Paragon 300 is whatever, that at least is not gatekept by a specific activity, you’ll get there eventually, not like glyph leveling. For every class except SB it’s incredibly hard to get your glyph to lvl100.
Since launch the community has asked for a different ways to level glyphs because it’s just not fun leveling them, and now the grind is worse than before. And it’s the only way that is not rng based that we can actually upgrade our character so it is really important. If you think a lvl 46 glyph and lvl 100 is not a power increase you obviously can’t do math (for those that argue 46 is enough).
The material cost of master working, we’ve given so many solutions to it, either really buff the drop rate of them or more logically drop the cost of it a bit. Or increase the cost bit we can choose the crit. Or at bare minimum which be a great improvement, let the reset go in tiers instead of the whole thing.
Loot was getting on the right track with s5 but now we took 10 steps back and we’re back to the same problems as earlier seasons. Finding an upgrade is impossible unless you use trading website.
The obvious aspect problem can easily be solved by making ancestral items roll within the last upgrade range instead of rolling the entire range (eg, if an aspect rolls 10-30, but max for non ancestral is 20, then ancestral should roll between 20-30 to give an actual chance at getting the max aspect)
*As a suggestion, please try to space your “Wall - o - text” between sentence, just so it can be understood better (easier to read)
*JUST a suggestion ! !
But I don’t mind grinding. I’m one of the people who like to grind. I’m smart enough to take breaks and do other things then come back to the game.
You shouldn’t force yourself to grind anything you don’t want to, you should go at your own pace, it’s not a race. Diablo has always been a grindy game though, especially since D 2 IMO.
Might I suggest playing another some what similar game then come back to D 4 when your ready?
Well, hopefully we’ll see some adjustments at mid-season to the pacing of some of the systems.
But more than likely you’re just going to see the usual suspects commenting on this thread telling your opinion is wrong and you don’t need to max such and such system out to have an effective character. 
The grind is heavier than ever. I’m still having fun but I do agree that the grind/reward ratio needs to be tweaked.
I feel that the game is at the highest grind for lowest reward that it can get away with right now. It’s not unplayable but it’s not in the best place.
Perhaps you didn’t get the memo
ARPG = Grind, grind and more grind.
That is fine as Long as you can choose where and how.
Glyph ist gated behind Pit, the Most boring Activity.
You would be surprised at what people here are willing to put up with
Yes… Masterworking is horrible this season, it’s like punishing players for playing the game. Getting rawhide is almost impossible, only by grinding bosses - the most common material grinded on boss that is so bad idea 
It’s time to move back to New World 
They made the final grind the most long and boring it’s ever been to keep us playing longer.
I’m sure there is someone. I hope that answers this question.
Don’t use streamers as baseline. If we follow this logic, Rob, according to other folks, is a casual player but he’s able to get to 300. He is a streamer as well.
After the second sentence, I basically saw a wall of text 
So I skipped the whole thing from OP
I like the grind too! Apparently it’s a dopamine thing.
The game is designed for players to sign hundred hours. There is a reason why the gears you received have RNG affix value, not a fix value like many game.
I have no issue if it’s long grind, I don’t like that it’s not rewarding. You play few hours, grind mats to just waste all in 2 minutes of flustration. If you compare it with New World there is also grind (also boring) but at the end you know that you will get the stuff… In D4 nope, just stupid rng makes you feel like you wasted time.
With the new changes the game finally became good enough. Before, it was showering me with rewards and “achievements”.
Well except we’re playing in seasons. It’s not too short but still it’s kind of a race against time if you’re not playing eternal which had it’s own problems.
I don’t think many of the streamers are that great at the game. Mekuna, Wudijo, Datmodz, Rob are all pretty solid grinders. Outside of them there’s a pretty big drop off in skill/quality/grind. Just my opinion, don’t shame me haha.
Diablo has always been a grind. If you’re not grinding… You’re not finding…
I enjoy the grind and feel like this season was the EASIEST to date. The drops are just wayyyy too easy to get everything and is causing all the grindy players to quit the game after a week or two. I personally have an entire stash tab full of mythics and mules on top of that with 2-3ga gear (I’m entirely solo self found playstyle I do not trade).
Yes, now it just showers you with junk.
aRPG is, was and always will be about grind.
Don´t cry over grind. Grind is good, grind is life.
Problem is that diminishing returns from grind.
Grind for wealth is good, grind for nothing is chore.
Depends on how many consecutive hours your grinding for me I put spotify on log in and run a few things.
If have enough boss mats I do a few of those…if I got tributes I do a few of those….you get the drift.
Never really feels like a grind if you only play a couple of hours a day