Greater Rifts in D3 at the highest end were something people looked forward to putting together groups for. They enjoyed putting together a team comp and facing the challenge of high greater rifts.
Dark Citadel could be just the beginning of an all new mmolite 8+ man raid endgame that rewards its own unique exciting loot. Other games will be doing what they do well, but D4 can tap into that world class WoW Mythic raid design experience and make hard content like that for 8 players that is extremely tough and requires lots of group cohesion and tactics to figure out.
D4 could be known for vast raiding dungeons for a large group that essentially becomes its main ultimate endgame. I think this is what the team needs to double down on because this is what Blizzard already leads in regards to in WoW and raid design.
You need something and the Pit and NMD are not enough. Uber bosses are cool but are a stepping stone for builds really.
No one in the arpg space would be able to compete with this level of experience Blizzard has.
Not sure if there is enough support for support builds in a team comp, healing builds, and more (Z dps CC builds?) but it opens up cool new build ideas and support for them with this as well. Paladin with healing build?
People constantly complained they had to group because of its massive advantage. People constantly complained about rats and having to play a zdps “support” in a game never designed for roles. They didn’t group for fun, they grouped because it was massively more effective than not grouping.
Grouping for GR in D3 was like boss rotas in D4. A lot of complaining.
I’ve read the opposite from those that did this enjoying these groups. And again I mentioned more support for these other potential roles that could inspire new classes, boards, uniques, and more.
There are no roles in these games, the devs don’t want there to be roles. People would always complain in patch notes in D3 that they never buffed “supports”. That’s because there was no such thing, it was a player defined role. It was people shoehorning whatever they could to cobble something together.
I think this will do the opposite. More bosses and more pits when other games are doing this as good or better won’t help as much. Besides this could be done anyway alongside new raids to expand the content even more.
I think it’s time for something new and again doubling down on Dark Citadel style content even more is likely the right approach here.
The game is already pretty much an mmolite anyway.
No Thank You. Go play wow if you want grouping. All paid content should be doable solo. Forced grouping is taking away paid content from people who don’t want/like/can’t group. Maybe for personal reasons or maybe social reasons, maybe medical. Forced grouping makes this game non-inclusive to everyone. Brent G is just another ego at blizzard that’s never wrong, in his own mind.
Unless they can make them single player no thanks. D4 definitely needs some compelling multi boss dungeons. Something I have to work my way through with gear checks along the way so when I finally beat it it feels good. But they need to be soloable.
I don’t agree I think there does need to be soloable content yes, but I think the hardest most hardcore content should require a fully organized group of 8 or more in D4.
Nobody is stopping you from grouping, just dont want myself forced into it, by all means take 10 friends into Diablo’s liar, hopefully it wont be a cut scene like Mephisto, imagine the fun of you and a bunch of friends watching a cutscene lmao
If you want this why wouldn’t you go play an MMO that is already doing this instead of asking a game with a totally different format to transform itself into what you want to play?
I came to D4 from MMOs exactly because I am tired of needing to build groups to do endgame content. For me personally this idea is the single worst thing D4 could take from MMOs. Better trade? sure, Group play options? sure if people want that. Endgame content that is only accessible to groups and requires several competent players that understand mechanics and are available to play when i can/want to play? No Thank You!
Running a pit with random enemies and bosses that are just higher hp sponges is terrible endgame though. I think people would grow to love this new endgame.
