I feel as though every single ability in the game from Basic to Core skills- if invested, would net an S+ Tier build (Obviously through good pathing through paragon boards and functionality of how you play) but this whole bottleneck is terrible.
It reminds me when Diablo 2 was out, LoD dropped, and we were on v1.09… Every single build could accomplish end-game content and decently at that. Then 1.10 came along with OP runewords and “Synergies” - along with nearly 100% of the mobs in hell mode being immune to something- This kills a lot of fun to be had.
Blizzard, it’s about time to go back to those roots of how the game used to work in d2 v1.09- Stop limiting players! let them be creative or lazy, let them have fun. Im pretty tired of meta playstyles… if a Rogue wants to make a S tier build, they HAVE to go down 1 of 2 routes… that’s it… all the other abilities are useless by comparison.
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Howdie, mate, I agree with you! Truly I hope and maybe even expect as well the game to have S tier builds one day. I hope they manage to focus on consistent ideas and less on power-scaling the game. Ideas make the intrigue, scaling is just added sugar to the party.
S tier is defined as top tier.
So better then other builds.
If you balance them all out equally they are not all s tier. There simply is no s tier anymore.
The real problem in D4 is that to tier build are not 20 or 30 % stronger but kinda several 1000% more effective.
The balancing is all over the place. Redicilous out of place.
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A small gap between classes is fine but this is like the grand canyon, like playing a completely different game.
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Diablo 3 is the same way, and Diablo 4 is trying to emulate Diablo 3.
Look up maxroll’s Diablo 3 Solo Tier List and you will see that Barbarians and Monks have no S tier builds. You will see that Necromancers take up 5 of the 10 S tier spots too.
Every tier list you can look up for D4, there are a couple (meaning more than 1) builds that sit in that S+ tier. I just want everything capable of reaching that bracket of power… I care less what the defining meaning behind S tier means. in fact, I think everyone here knows what I mean about having every class have an S+ tier build, multiple builds that can reach that “power”. Right now with my rogue, if everything is situated and I got my traps out and etc I deal a good 200-500mil an arrow (which 1 arrow hits 4 times). I’ve even seen 4b but that’s cheesy… Im asking for every possible build be capable of reaching similar numbers without having to copy paste meta builds. Build diversity needs some CRAZY work done. Diablo already lost it’s oldschool vibes… Just F it, and make everything amazingly powerful.
My issue is- how many skills do you have in your build? How many skills does that class have that is considered useless? that’s trash imo.
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In a perfect world, every build and every class should be S tier. The difference should be based on gear requirements and playstyle.
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Whats wrong with barb bleeds ticking for billions while frozen orb crits for 3 mill. Surely their both S+ tier right. They can do the same content just as fast. Perfectly balanced as all things should be. HUE
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There should be a goood push build and all classes should be within 5 pit tiers of each other.
They should have a nm 100 speed / helltide speed build.
Also a pit 101 speed (pit speed all classes within a 10 band range)
We should have a boss killer build and cc / support build for groups and aoe build.
I think this is what each class should have if this was d3.
This is d4 so the devs need to pick a lane. If we are not going to have loadout and specs support then they need to allow us to have more character spots and better build diversity.
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There are always going to be meta builds that are better than other builds. The problem this game has is the huge gap between that and everything else. The gap should be within 10% or so. Then people could actually play what they want.
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They are trying, not for the Sorc, but for the rest. Bugs and unintentional dmg multipliers(Gushing wounds) do the balancing job even harder. They have capped a few things for s5. We will se if thatcwill even things out
should delay S5 lets just rerun season 2 because it was the bees knee
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Agree with you regarding the power difference between builds. It is beyond ridiculous. Ultimately I think all skills should be buffed to be closer to the top tier rather than nerfs. The best possible build should only show about 10% over a casual build and 20% over some kid randomly picking fun stuff on the cool boards.
At least that way most people won’t be struggling to hold on until am Icy Veins player comes along to one shot things for them.
Balance is a garbage can. Every build should be S tier. S tier should be normalized. You should be able to do the top tier content with whatever build you want. Otherwise there was no point in blizzard creating all the skills they did. When there is zero point in choosing them. Zero. You can’t even complete the season journey if you don’t choose 1 or 2 specific builds.
Shameful. 0/10
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In my opinion, the biggest problem in the game today is the balance between classes. There is a lack of diversity in builds. It is impossible to use some skills due to the lack of unique items or synergies between aspects. When you only build one basic skill, for example, firebolt divides into 3 when passing through wall of flames. This is bad. Because not every basic skill when crossing a wall of fire is divided into 3. The aspects must be broad and the unique items specific and with their own game play. This is already an advance.
-Every skill must have at least one unique
It’s been more than a year. I think we should just admit that the devs are so incompetent that they can’t fix anything properly. Unless they all get replaced with top tier talent, I’d say fat chance.
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lol I’ve been saying this about blizzard since WoW… They haven’t ever balanced a game where the balance stood out. But I’d rather not keep blaming and pointing fingers at blizzard because it’s beating a dead horse, even though F it lol I will. none of them genuinely care about video games anymore, Since WoW, gaming has become more business than passion. Activision released a annual (maybe it was quarterly but I forget) but it’s documented where they talk about their annual/quarterly player investment- regarding player retention- we’re literal sheep to them, that’s it… well, sheep with money.
I remember posting a bug about how some walls, if you get too close, (as a bow/xbow rogue) if you shot too close to these types of walls, your arrows would hit an invisible wall and it happens on a lot of different wall types. I posted that bug when D4 release because it was in day 1. It’s still here. in fact, I’ve posted several bugs that still remain. I don’t understand how I can post a bug to valheim’s crew- and this was during their hype, and they actually reached out to me and thanked me- turned around and fixed the damn bug… What’s Blizzard’s excuse? It sucks to see gaming get more business oriented vs having passion to make a good story driven game, flushed out of issues you would normally find in early access or indie games.
They should have also starter build templates like in retail WoW. Basically you let the game pick your abilities for you so you dont have to think, i just want to smash demons.
Id play the game choice so i could have an s tier of each classes
I cannot disagree with this enough. We dont need a power creep infused d3 clone where everyone is a winner and the game is full of participation trophies. While I get your point a little, I disagree with your solution. Personally I couldnt care less about reaching the top 1 or 10% of d4 players, but if I did I would play a META build, not say the build I chose should be top tier. If you want a fast car you buy a high performance sports car, you dont get a Hyundai and complain its not in the same league as a Vette
EDIT: PS I play a Hyundai and am enjoying it, not crying because its not S Tier. I knew that when I made it
I drive a Hyundai Kona and wow its really fast in Sports mode!