So am am now in S8 and i am lv 60 since yesterday. I enjoy the game atm but i have to say while i enjoy the looting and exploring in the open world, the char progression is realy tedious and spread out on so many endgame activities it drives me Nuts.
So what do we have
Helltides 2/10
Whispers 3/10
Pit 1/10
NMD 6/10
Hordes 4/10
Bosses 1/10
Worldbosses/Legion 0/10
Undercity 0/10
Dark Citadel 0/10
Season event 0/10
In order to progress your char you are more or less forced to do most of these.
WHICH IS TERRIBLEā¦ Play as you likeā¦
Pls do not add anymore Endgame activities and rework the living out of those we have.
I suggest to put Helltides and Hordes into 1 activitie.
Instead of having a red place to farm chests why not make the helltide what it was actualy supposed to beā¦ an Invasion.
Place 3 Portals around big Cities like Kyovashad. Let em spawn a constant stream of monstern running Towards the cities. Make a baricade of soldiers defending.
Now you have to defend the City gates with them and at the same time close the Portals. People would have to work together to get the event done. Some defend the town. Some go to close the portals. Inside a Portal you do the āHordeā mode. When you win the portal shuts down. The reward comes at the end from the city you saved, the better the outcome the bestter the rewards.
Legions are bad. Just get rid of these. World bosses should be reworked entirely to be an actual thread and worth doing.
Whispers should dissapear. Just make all these obectives spawn randomly in the Open world. When you do one of em you get a ātrophyā. Bring it to the tree to get a reward. No more looking at the map to go to a certain location. Just explore naturaly.
Normal dungeons should dissapear on T1 and be automaticly transferred into NMDs. Obcucite should be abailable everywhere even as a drop from normal rare mobs in the open world.
Boss mats should be gone entirely. Give the bosses the proper ādungeonā where they just wait at the end to fight you in an epic showdown. Why the hell do we summon these guys. Itās plain dumb. We are supposed to cleanse the world from em, not summoning them to be a pinata. Do you guys care zero for Lore and Storytelling?
And last but not least
BALANCE THE GAME ALREADY!!!
When an activitie is bad you can absolutly argue that it is non existent.
Itās like a local cinema having 10 bad movies running. You can absolutly say āThere is no movie at the cinema to watchā which translate to no movie worthwhile and not to literaly no movie. And i guess that is what people wanna express.
Obviously there is a lot of Endgame in Diablo but if nothing of it is worthwhileā¦
the thing is smashing another 3 boring half bakced activities on top of these will not be a solution.
yea absolutly. You should allways have a choice in what activities you wanna do.
I think they should make vertain activities to drop more from this and that so people can target farm if they feel the need. But those who rather like to roam the world should also be able to get the stuff done. I donāt like running through dungeons all the time. Open world is much more engaging. But i have to in order to do glyphs and mastercrafting.
That is why i was rolling my eyes when adam jackson explained that people would allways do the most efficient stuff and therefore it is not worth it to have several things do the same.
that is plain wrong. Yes there are people allways targeting the most efficient thing. But there are also people who just do what is most fun.
Sorry butā¦ what are you exploring in the first place, in order to randomly bump into these events? (And not just near cities, where the invasion events you mention would be happeningā¦ but out in the open areas.)
al that is listed is not end-game , are FARMING activities. somobody hopefully will understand this at a momentā¦ ā¦ ā¦ end-game is the activity where players do not go with loot/progress in mind, but to SHOW the already hard farmed and done build. e.g.:
when pushing leaderbaords in D# I do not care about loot, only care a bout proving my build is capable. the same, when enter party to push leaderbaords in D3 did not care about loot/progress, but only prooving to party member I can stand for that grift levelā¦
when did PvP in DIablo Immortal I did not care about loot/progress, but only to perform very well so my team to win
end-game is not farming activities!
end-game is not farming activities!
end-game is not farming activities!
end-game is not farming activities!
end-game is not farming activities!
Thereās probably no universal meaning. The one Diablo players are most accustomed to is: everything after the campaign. Soā¦ thatās the minimal definition, it is what it is.
Case in point: you allude to D:Immortal & to leaderboards. D4 is D4, and has no leaderboards. It has nothing to āproveā. Does that mean it has no endgame? Debatable if it does or doesnātā¦ but that wouldnāt be the reason.
Finally, aside from the players - the devs have referred to it (the list of activities) as endgame. So in D4 at least, endgame is āeverything past the campaignā. Just like its (legitimate) predecessors (the ones that arenāt reskinned NetEase properties).
This is like saying doing maps in POE is not end game content. Couldnāt be further from the truth. Part of the endgame is running content to min maxing your build.
Another part of the endgame is having a place where you can test your build for example pit tier 100+ or a juiced up uber boss.
Quantity can be fine, look at POE1 and even Torchlight Infinite. The problem is that D4 doesnāt offer good enough rewards for whatās there. And frankly most of them lack creativity or depth.
I like that, but maybe people are randomly sucked into the hell portals over the hour so everyone gets a turn. Fight 5 wave or something and then close that portal.
Sorry i am not doing that. Blizzard is doing that. There is now way to avoid the MMO part of D4 as that is what Blizz wants, but i can at least make sugestions in how to improve that part
D4 features all the ānegativitiesā of the MMO characteristics and basicly non of the positiv stuff.
Also you could totaly make this mode without any interaction at all. Just make a small UI that shows how many people are at what gate or outside and you can conclude on your own where you are needed without ever talking to anyone.
you go around and kill mobs. the same you do now just that you can collect obucite there and do whispers while exploring the beatiful map. I myself enjoy the opwn world much more then the generic dungeons all day. I want snowy mountains i go there, i want a desert i go there, i want a swamp i go there. That is the strengh of an large open world and the thing Blizz is kinda abandoning for whatever god aweful reason.
i dont agree with quite some of your points, but thats fine (mostly the whole āprogression is tediousā vibe. I mean, the season is a little longer than s7 lol. It certainly should be more tedious in my opinion) - However i certainly agree with this quote.
D4 does have quite a bunch of different activities, which sadly dont really receive regular updates.
On a side note, the Dark citadel chest suprised me this season. Done it with a friend cause he was curious, and now we do it weekly. The reward chest is pretty generous with their GA items ^^
Ya there is obviously a lot of stuff you can do. Helltidces realy bother me.
Back then they introduced em as an invasion of demons. A high risk reward endgame avtivity.
Aside from the balancing that never made thisy feel āhigh riskā i totaly do not feel the āinvasionā part. Itās more like a flea market. The demons come to a designated place. All kinds of demons and they brought all there old belongings with them in nice chests. People can walk around and gather āEmberā to buy stuff.
Why are there chest? Why do the demons bring em? What are they invading? they just walk around aimless like every other enemy.
I realy hate the lack of ācoherentā worldbuilding. The same for the random mini events.
Oh a lost soul wandering around. I wonder whatā¦ ah ya, waves of demons spawn.
Oh a blood tribunal asks for a sacrifice. I wonder whatā¦ ah ya, waves of demons spawn.
Oh a large piece of ore to grindā¦ i wonder whatā¦ ah ya, waves of demons spawn.
Oh my mercs wants to āhuntā with me. I wonder whatā¦ ah ya, waves of demons spawn.
Oh a Demon queen collects souls. I wonder whatā¦ ah ya, waves of demons spawn.
Oh some cicilians in danger. I wonder whatā¦ah ya, waves of demons spawn.
Oh a nice golden Chest to open. I wonder whatā¦ah ya, waves of demons spawn.
out of those we have.
