I think maybe it has to do something with “plot armor”?
Maybe because of where they were a healing potion wouldn’t do anything. In a world of Fantasy NOTHING makes any sense. You might as well throw Logic and Common sense out the Window.
Yeah he was done dirty and it was a bit silly. I mean sure it could happen but it was just out of nowhere and so anti climatic…like, wow it may be realistic but it makes for bad story telling.
She did die you see it in the hell invasion cutscene but they retconned it because they made that cutscene before they finished writing the story. It’s hilarious when you notice afterwards that you run into her when she should be in the belly of a hundred demons.
This is a pretty bad statement. Even Fantasy worlds usually come with a specific set of rules (they can set up themselves btw.). Of course within the rules of the real world they might seem silly and highly unrealistic but it’s rules applied to that world so they do not have to be the same as ours.
The problems start when you set up rules for your world and then you do not stick to them. If you have healing potions able to heal basically anything and then you show scenes where you do not use those healing potions without explanation even though you have them available then obvious questions will pop up.
It’s the responsibility of the writer(s) to ensure that these situations do not happen. And if they happen then no one will take your story serious anymore. If a writer manages to write a fantasy story with consistent rules then it is very much believable and also usually ends up pretty good. Btw. if you look at the Lord of the Rings trilogy then you will see a fantasy story that has a pretty consistent ruleset.
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When i say you might as well throw comment sense and Logic out the window then
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why when you kill bosses they use health potions to regain their health? How can a person actually communicate with the dead let alone summon them.
I can go on and on and On and Nit Pick every single thing but their are reasons why things are the way they are.
In a world of Fantasy Nothing Makes Sense. I’m not even Going to try to mix fantasy with reality.
Donan died because (Other then him being careless) no Potions in Hell or to go back out and try to find one.
Now I don’t know why the player couldn’t give up a potion… Maybe because Donan was just TOO Severely hurt, I don’t know. Maybe the writers should of said that, but it is what it is and we have to deal with it one way or another.
What you’re pointing out are in fact inconsistencies within the rules of the fantasy world and that creates problems with the story. Yes, bosses also should have potions are a logical reason of they don’t have access to them.
Communicating or summoning the dead is not a contradiction if the world actually establishes the existence of souls and their appearance as entities that can be interacted with. Obviously it’s not part of the real world on our end but it can be established as “truth” within the context of a fictional world.
Saying in fantasy world nothing makes sense and therefore they can do whatever the hell they want just shows that lack understanding of proper sensible story telling or you’re just trying to justify bad writing with bs because you don’t actually care about the story in the first place.
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Uh uh, don’t say what I care/don’t care Don’t do that. I’m fine with the story, I actually have no complaints about it.
*Communicating/Summoning the dead- why don’t they ask the dead about they have seen/heard to help the players on their journey? I think they could of utilized something like that a bit more just to help the players out (as an example).
I would of done things differently sure, but we (as players) know more about whats going on then the people in the game itself.
And I DO believe that fantasy world nothing makes sense (not 100% of everything at least).
Donan not having a potion doesn’t make sense but I can understand why he Died the way he did, as I stated already.
Bad writing with B.S. Sounds about right but I enjoyed the story line regardless.
*I can not speak for the writers of this game, but some of what transpires in the game doesn’t make any sense (To me).
You are contradicting yourself. You said you’re fine with the story but then you follow up with various points of criticism and stating that you would’ve done it differently.
So either you’re fine with the story or you aren’t.
And you stating again that within a fantasy world nothing makes sense once again just shows your lack of understanding when it comes down to stories in general. I tried to explain it to you multiple times but if you decide to ignore it then that is your problem.
You can find explanations regarding writing and how a consistent ruleset within the boundries of a story is important to make something believable or at least relatable all over the internet and even in books about writing stories.
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The Base of my Post was towards the context of Donan losing his life and how come they coudln’t use a Healing potion to revive him.
I said the reason why they didn’t use it was because
A. It was far too late for Donan to the point a healing potion wouldn’t of worked anyway.
B. If they decided to leave hell to find a healing potion, well that would of been too late.
So him losing his life is what it is.
Like you to believe in your comment about things making sense in a Fantasy world, I on the other hand think it doesn’t make sense from my point a view.
“In a world of Fantasy Nothing makes any sense. You might as well throw Logic and Common sense out the Window” is how I perceive things that are unrealistic.
It’s fine to fantasize but I don’t make the laws of the fantasy world.
One Opinion against Another.
I understand your point of view which is why my posts towards you are Contradicting itself, but it doesn’t change the fact that in this game Donan Dyeing is fine.
This was not established through the story or characters though. It’s you interpreting something into the story that doesn’t exist. It’s an easy way to cope with the mistakes the writers made in Diablo 4.
You as the audience try to fill in gaps and make up explanations. But even within this thread you can see there are people like myself who disagree with your interpretation because it doesn’t fit with the rules established by the writers of the Diablo 4 story.
So the writers dug a hole for themselves (partially through side quests as explained in an earlier post) and you’re trying to find a justification simply because you’re sympathetic to them due to you liking the story. I on the other hand and many others are looking at it more critical because we see the problems within the story as bigger issues. This is why I’m not here trying to make excuses for them.
Btw. personally I wouldn’t even make excuses for plot holes and stupid decisions within a story even if I enjoyed it. If there is a plot hole or inconsistent writing then it should be called out accordingly.
And I’ll stick with my statement that the death of Donan was worse than what they did with Deckard Cain in Diablo 3 while acknlowledging that the way Deckard Cain was killed off was very poorly handled and justifiably ridiculed.
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I 100% Agree about the Death of D. Cain.
But yes, My interpretation is different then yours, Isn’t Opinions great?
However, in all honesty we can make all the noises we want about the writers and how they dug themselves into the mess they did, nothing is gonna change about it. So I really don’t see the point,
Not like they are gonna re write the entire thing (story line wise), it’s not like it’s gameplay footage.
In the end we have different thoughts about whether the story is good or not.
But I think we both can agree that it is an objective fact that writers created problems within the story due to inconsistiencies.
Wait, Prava survived? That’s news to me. Where do you find her after the story? I found Lorath by Donan’s manor but that’s the only major character I saw again.
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